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144: Our interview with Tunde Oyeneyin Plus Peloton Takes Down Flywheel-At-Home

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Flywheel-At-Home shutters its doors and all their users get a free Peloton!

John Mills listened to the Goldmann Sachs Technology Conference so we didn’t have to and has all sorts of interesting tidbits about the future of Peloton.

More and more people are reporting that their numbers are resetting to zero in the middle of their classes.

There’s a new Peloton commercial.

An Echelon user gets injured by his bike.

People magazine has an article about Peloton.

Barry’s Bootcamp is getting into the bike game.

USA Today features Robin Arzon.

A new meditation program is starting focused on sleep.

All this plus our interview with Tunde!

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Our interview with Tunde Oyeneyin Plus Peloton Takes Down Flywheel-At-Home

I am not currently late, but I will be later in this episode.

I don’t even know what that means.

It’s because we our Tunde interview now. I was racing back from the airport, so I could do the interview and everything conspired against me. They forced me to check my carry on. I don’t have a control because the company paid for it. It’s a more expensive ticket that way. Everything was working against me. I was the last piece of luggage off the plane. It was bad.

Then you have to deal with me doing the introductions. Sorry about that.

We’ll look forward to that. That will be interesting to see. What else do they have to look forward to?

We are going to talk Flywheel. That’s all I care about right now. I’m a little obsessed with this whole story. There’s been some other stuff going on with Peloton because when is there not stuff going on with Peloton? All good things, nothing bad. There are some updates that we received. There was an event we’ll talk about. We’re going to talk about some things that happened with Peloton. I know none of that makes sense, but just understand that there will be financial things. There are going to be some tidbits that we’ve alluded to that we have confirmation of. There are also some new commercials. There are new articles to discuss. There’s another competitor in the game, then there are all kinds of things about the instructors and new content to discuss.

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We’ve been watching the slow demise of Flywheel over the last six months to a year. It got a lot faster this week.

It has sped up. Somebody hit the fast-forward button. It’s related to the settlement obviously.

I think that someone was Peloton’s attorney, general counsel.

They do well. Good job, guys. If you haven’t been following along, for those of you who don’t listen intently to every single episode, we will quickly catch you up. Here’s the deal. Peloton sued Flywheel a few years ago. They said, “You stole all of our technology. Pay up.” Flywheel was like, “No, we didn’t.” A long time period passed, suddenly out of the blue they were like, “Yeah, we did.” They admitted fault. They were like, “We’re done. We’re going to remove all the tech within 60 days,” and that was in the past few weeks ago. This week, there is all of a sudden a major announcement that came out of Flywheel At Home. To be clear, this is Flywheel At Home, not the Flywheel Studios for any of you who are like, “What happened?” They sent out this letter and they were like, “Difficult decision, effective March 27th, we are discontinuing service of our home bike flywheel. We’ll continue to focus our original mission of providing the best in studio cycling experience. This decision will not impact our studio operations.” Then it says, “We have partnered with Peloton to provide an exclusive offer for you to enjoy their world-class At Home product. You will receive an email directly from Peloton shortly with more information on this offer.” The last day you may be billed for Flywheel At Home is Wednesday, February 19th, no actions required to turn off automated payments as Flywheel will.” That’s interesting. That was pretty much like, “What does this mean?”

Then all their catalog content goes away on March 27th.

If you have a Flywheel At Home Bike, you’re in luck because this deal they “brokered” with Peloton, and that’s in quotes because obviously this was all part of the settlement. Here’s how I know. It says, “The world-class Peloton At Home product,” that is straight out of Peloton’s mouth. That is their wording. That is the stuff they use, which I love. I’m not knocking them, but that was definitely Peloton.

You know how much that had to sting for the PR person at Flywheel. They would probably type a couple letters and then they’d have to go and walk around the office building a couple of times, get a drink of water, splash a cold water in their face, come back.

I feel like there was much haggling over this announcement. I feel like this went back and forth between them and Peloton about a thousand times.

I have no doubt.

Peloton sends out a letter and they send it to all of the Flywheel users and it says, “We invite you to trade in your Flywheel At Home bike.” You give your Flywheel At Home bike to Peloton and they will in turn give you a refurbished, to function like new, Peloton bike for free. You are in luck if you are a Flywheel user. That’s stunning. It’s covered for a year. You do have to pay the same $40 fees the rest of us do, but you get a free bike.

You were presumably paying a comparable fee to Flywheel At Home. That should be a wash. You get a Peloton bike and you get way better content. It’s true but it’s subjective. You have to get way more content.

They were offering bike content, now, everybody has access to yoga, weight lifting and running.

I would go to school in bike in my head, but you’re right.

Even if you were going to bike, you’re still right because there was way more classes. This is a stunning turn of events for a lot of reasons. One, as somebody pointed out to me, which I think was completely accurate, Peloton scored their entire marketing list.

It’s essentially like a hostile merger. I can’t imagine there’s going to be very many Flywheel people that are going to say no to this deal. You already spent money on a bike, you might as well swap it out and see if you like it.

The interesting thing is that some people in the Flywheel community think that the Flywheel bike is better. Whether you do or you don’t, some of those same people also feel pissed off at Peloton like, “Peloton is not doing enough.”

What more would they want?

I don’t know.

You’re swapping out for a bike.

You got me. To me, you are an entitled brat if you don’t think this is a good deal because Flywheel is no more at home anyway. If you want to be able to exercise in the comfort of your own home, Peloton is fantastic and the first, best option.

Normally, the concern about these connected fitness products in general has always been, “What happens if they go tits up?” Here’s a situation where it did, and you basically get grandfathered. You get to trade in your RC Cola for a nice, refreshing glass of Coca-Cola.

Some people don’t want to believe that Peloton is the Coke.

I get that in so much that if you selected a Flywheel At Home, you almost purposefully didn’t select a Peloton.

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You had to go out of your way.

For whatever reason, you have a relationship with the Flywheel gym and you preferred their Flywheel studio and you prefer that, or you’re just a contrarian that likes to be different, and you’re going to wear your Keds when everybody else is wearing Sketchers. Those people are out there and that’s fine. I do understand why you might have some resistance because like I said, Peloton was already the market leader when Flywheel launched. It’s part of the problem. If someone bought one, they were deliberately shunning Peloton.

It will be interesting to see what happens when these people show up in our community because I suspect they’re going to be dicks. Just to be clear, I don’t mean every single person who has a Flywheel. It’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying the people who are mad about this development and they’re mad at Peloton in particular. First of all, that anger should be directed at Flywheel. They’re the ones that screwed up, not Peloton. They stole things. That’s how that works there. There’s a consequence for that. I’m excited for this one. The people who are angry, I wonder how that’s going to work with them integrating because we’re so pro Peloton over on our pages.

My guess is though that if they’re mad at Peloton, they probably won’t interact at all.

They can stay off.

They’ll get on their new bike and they’ll do their stuff and they’ll either come around and realize, “This is as good or better of a product,” and be like, “No harm, no foul.” Or they’ll just peer out. I can’t imagine you’re going to have very many of them and by the time they do all their transfers, they are like, “I’m going to find a Facebook page and yell at people who do love this bike.”

I don’t know. That will be interesting. For those of you who say, “Peloton has been collecting all these bikes, this is what they’ve been saving them up over,” no, Peloton has had a refurbishing program since day one. They have always offered refurbished bikes to their employees. I don’t know what the discounted price is, but it’s been a thing. They did not start doing that for this. They were not counting on that happening just to be clear.

I am hearing rumors from my own Peloton Prophet B. They’re saying that Peloton is going to launch a new comeback program for people that don’t quite succeed at their comeback. They’re going to get one of these old Flywheel bikes.

I’m picturing people who didn’t have that bad of a time, but they still submitted one and then they were like, “You haven’t really struggled, so here.”

“I’m going to learn to play the guitar this year,” then instead you learn to play the ukulele.

It is interesting, what are they going to do with all the Flywheel bikes? Are they going to put them out at the back of the new Peloton headquarters in Burnham and everybody’s going to dance around it and chant, cheer?

You’re probably going to see like kids in underdeveloped countries riding Flywheel bikes while wearing a San Francisco 49ers Superbowl merchandise.

I’m curious though. What are they going to do with it? I can’t wait to find that out.

They will recycle as best they can.

They’ll probably take the tech off. That was never theirs to begin with and use.

It’s fascinating. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a situation like this.

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It reminds me of some asshole on the highway who passes you and then they break check you because you flipped him off. Or they’re just a dick in general like they tried to get over the last second and he never should’ve been getting over or they didn’t use their signal. We are always like, “Where are the cops?” The cops appear out of nowhere and pull them over. That’s what I feel had happened. I’m like, “Watch out, Echelon. You are next.” I can’t wait because they deserve it. Flywheel had been around for a long time. They never should have done this. They suck. With Echelon, no. I’ve got a special place of hate for Echelon.

There was a Goldman Sachs technology conference. John Mills listened in.

I wanted to repeat this because I tried to listen to it and it was a little boring. I love Peloton and I love Jill Woodworth but this whole thing had a somber feeling, it was dry. Thank goodness that John did because he had some great things that he pulled out of it. Four things that he learned that he felt were important. Here we go. First one, we knew Peloton was coming out with a lower cost treadmill later this year, but Ms. Woodworth confirmed it will be the same or similar cost of the bike and it will not use slats. It will have a belt.

That’s interesting, that’s where the savings are.

That’s where the savings are, but it’s where the innovation isn’t. We already have treadmills with slats. I assume some have the knobs and the monitor for those of you who couldn’t see me gesticulating, but I don’t know. That will be interesting to see.

The other belt treads don’t have Peloton baked in.

They don’t, so you can’t get your metrics, you can’t get all that. That’s absolutely true.

There probably are a lot of people that like $4,000 is pretty high.

It is. $4,000 is a lot of money. I don’t mean like it’s not a lot of money because it absolutely is a lot of money. Those slats, I don’t know if they’re too green worth, I don’t know but I love them.

I bet you a lot of people, especially if they haven’t bought a treadmill in the past, don’t fully understand the difference and why that’s important. All they see is $4,000. Here’s an entry point and if they get it and they use it a lot, maybe in two, three years they upgrade. Then you can trade in that for the Flybelt At Home product.

Somehow, I don’t think they’re doing that. Next, Peloton is not only looking to open the Hudson Yard studio next month, they’re expecting to open the Covent Garden Studio in London later this year or early next year. I think we already knew that, but that’s a verification. That’s more of a timeframe for the London. They haven’t pinned that down. It’s been like it’s coming soon, so that’s the first time we’ve heard later this year or early next year. Then we knew the Hudson Yard studio would have four studios under one roof, but Ms. Woodworth also confirmed the Covent Garden studio will have three studios under one roof. Ms. Woodworth indicated that now having seven studios under two roofs, they expect to be able to increase from 950 classes per month to over 1,400. That is stunning.

I’m curious, since Flywheel is top of mind at the moment, how many classes they had total? I’m honestly thinking like I bet you they’re going to produce more classes in a month than Flywheel At Home had in its entirety, but that’s just guessing.

Those are great things to know, so thank you, John Mills, for listening to that and reporting out on your awesome Run, Lift & Live Group because if you hadn’t, I would not have seen it and I love passing this stuff along for everybody.

People were having some trouble with their metrics.

This is a weird one. I’m seeing this all over the place, but the interesting thing is it has not been officially called a bug by Peloton. People are riding along and running, all of a sudden their numbers reset to zero. Typically, when that happens to a person the cable has come loose on the back of their monitor. Everything resets to zero and they go and jiggle the monitor cable and it works again. This is happening across the board and then it comes back and everything’s fine. It’s not about the cable, so I don’t know what’s up with that, but I haven’t seen anything come out from Peloton Official. If I missed it, I apologize but I have not seen it. It is a glitch that is happening to a lot of people. You’re not crazy if that happened to you.

If it is officially classified a bug, since the numbers are resetting to zero, I think Peloton should call this the Tom Bug Zero Rides.

TCO 144 | Weight Loss JourneyYou get to ride like Tom did, except they’re actually putting the work in, so that’s not comforting. The numbers are the same.

There is a new Peloton commercial out.

Have you seen this one?

I don’t think so.

They nailed it. I love it so much. This guy is riding with different instructors and I think it was actually just Robin, but it was all of Robin-isms like, “You didn’t wake up today to be a mediocre.” That’s one of hers. He’s doing this, he’s riding and he’s getting all into it every time Robin says something. His daughter’s watching, so they do these little, quick snippets. It’s like one ride and the daughter’s in the background and she’s rolling her eyes and then he does it again. She asked a question, he answers it. It’s four rides in and he’s then getting ready for work and he’s like, “Another meeting.” The daughter walks in and goes, “Dad, you did not wake up today to be mediocre.” I loved it. It was perfect. A lot of kids are watching and they’re learning something from that. They’re like, “My mom and dad are exercising. They’re taking care of them. They’re something to look up to.” It’s not in our house, but it does happen in other people’s houses and it’s cool.

There was an interesting article in Canada about Echelon.

There was this guy and he was riding and his pedal broke off, it completely sheared off. When it sheared off, it left a very jagged edge on the end of it, causing a deep gash in his leg, which he posted in this article. It’s graphic and it required ten stitches. It was not small at all. This dude tries to get ahold of Echelon, not one flipping response, not one for weeks. I heard that apparently, they have said that they’re working on it now. That was their official response. It took weeks for them to do that, and only because it showed up on a news article and got crazy. I’ve heard this before from people who have bought from Echelon that whenever you call up their customer support, nothing, they don’t respond. For any of you who are ever like, “Peloton Customer Support didn’t solve my problem the first time I called,” they still rock compared to most companies out there. Echelon, they suck so bad and they have to suck because what are they going to tell these people? “This is what you should do to fix it.” They don’t have anything to fix it. Their products are crappy and they don’t have anybody working on it.

They will send you a refurbished Flywheel At Home bike.

No, because it doesn’t look just like Peloton’s. It’s a different color.

While we’re talking about this article, I noticed something very interesting about this article that I would like to share with you. It’s interesting in a clickbait-y way in that the URL of this article says, “Echelon workout bike Peloton injury cut.” The article never mentions Peloton, but the URL does for their SEO purposes. I would also like to point out that the people at CBC should probably have a talking to with their SEO guy because in his attempt to clickbait off the Peloton brand, he misspelled Peloton.

He did the classic PELE. Come on, dude, especially if you’re looking for clickbait. This is for SEO. You double check the spelling.

Spell the thing you want to hijack properly. It’s only polite. People Magazine had an article about Peloton.

It talked about the fact that Peloton got in a bunch of trouble for having that video that shall not be spoken about commercial. Then it started talking about what exactly Peloton is, then they finally get to the good stuff, which is members talking about why it’s more than worth the cost. You have Amy Wieland, who is one of the Peloton users, 56-year-old vice president at a software company in Florida saying it’s the best investment she ever made. She said that there’s no better investment than being able to have something that can take care of your health. Wieland has multiple sclerosis, so she knows the importance of health. It talks about her stay, it talks about what Peloton has done for her and all the different groups. There are other people that are highlighted as well. If you have not gotten a chance to read it, you should.

Barry’s Bootcamp has added rides. I don’t know what that means.

That means they now have rides. They’re not just bootcamp. It’s another competitor. Here we go.

You knock one away, another one pops up.

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We’re going to keep seeing this. The big thing is everybody’s adding as much content as possible. Whatever Peloton does, they copy.

They’re all playing catch up.

There are a lot of people that like Barry’s Bootcamp, so I could see them getting some traction with this. I don’t know much about it. Other than that, it doesn’t interest me because Peloton has their own bootcamp. We live in St. Louis, there’s nothing around here like that.

At this point, they’re probably worried about their customers looking over at Peloton’s content.

Rebecca Kennedy is from Barry’s Bootcamp. They got her from that and she’s a master instructor, so they should be worried.

USA today has an article about Peloton. It’s interesting that when we first started doing this, the articles were like and now it’s like USA Today, People.

This article is about Robin Arzon, who we’ve talked about before. She one of those companies that help get gigs, those PR companies. Also keep in mind that she’s already working for ROAR. The picture that’s featured in here is for ROAR. Because of those things, Robin gets featured in higher level things than other instructors who maybe don’t have that level of PR company behind them. This article, if you have not read or you don’t know Robin Arzon’s backstory, you need to read this. She started off as an attorney and then she had a major scare in her life that totally changed everything. She was like, “Life is too short. I’m going to do what I want to do.” Running got her through the trauma that she experienced and it completely transformed her life and the way that she thinks about it and made her who she is today.

Finally, there’s a new meditation program starting.

I’m super excited about this. It is a fourteen-day program called The Power Of Sleep. It’s going to give people a chance to try out all the different methods of meditation that help you sleep. In theory, it’s going to help you fall asleep easier and rest deeper. It’s going to help with shifting the patterns of your sleep, so that it will improve not only your sleep, but your overall wellness. You’re going to learn to use your breath to release tension. You’re going to use the skin in your body from head to toe, relaxation approach and visualization to shift your focus and clear your mind. This is on the Peloton app, but when I say the Peloton app, I mean it’s only available in iOS. For Android users, you have to go to the classes in filter under Relax and Sleep.

The people who have iOS, everything is neatly in Programs. You click on Programs and it goes in order. For the rest of us, we have to go to Relax and Sleep, then it’s there. You’ve got to figure out which one you should do first because none of it’s all posted on the same day, so it sucks. Peloton, come on with the Android. The program itself looks amazing and I’m super stoked to try it because I have time periods where I cannot sleep and I get really crabby, like way crabbier than usual, so I need to sleep.

Tom is on his way from the airport, so I’m going to do the intro. Joining us is the lovely, Tunde OyeneyinI’m excited because all of our readers have crowdsourced all these questions for us. As we go through, I’m going to let you know who asked the question as well as the question itself.

I love that. I’m ready.

The first question we have is, “Can you tell us about your weight loss journey and your mind shift?” That was submitted by Roslyn Amson.

I think everyone when they’re going through the process of losing weight, it’s almost “the bottom of the shelf.” I say that to say that if you’re losing weight to lose weight for somebody else, it’s a different process than when you’re losing weight because you want to lose weight for yourself. You’ve almost hit this bottom shelf where you’re like, “I can’t continue living in this weight because,” whether it’s your health, the confidence, what you feel about yourself, the way that you look or whatever it is. You hit this shelf. For me, when I hit the bottom of my shelf, I’ll never forget. I was at my aunt’s wedding. I was a bridesmaid. Don’t ask why I was a bridesmaid at my aunt’s wedding.

In retrospect, I had no idea why she asked me to be her bridesmaid. I was the youngest person at the wedding. I cannot even remember. I know I was in high school as the first years of high school or middle school. I went to the bridal shop and the bridal shop did not carry the bridesmaid dress in my size. At the time I believe I was a size 16, 18, which for the record, they should have had the dress. The dress that’s 16, 18, it’s ridiculous that they did it. The maker didn’t make a dress at that size. My aunt says that she will purchase a different dress for me that’s in the same color. It was a blue dress we were wearing. The dress that they did make in my size was a much more beautiful gown.

It was much more expensive gowns. She said that she would buy it. I said, “No.” My mom was kicking me. She’s saying she’s going to buy this pretty dress, pick the dress. My concern was everybody’s going to know that I’m a different dress because they’re going to know that I’m the big one that couldn’t fit in the other dress. My brothers made fun of me and tease me as big brothers do. My mother and father always made me feel like I was the most beautiful girl on the planet. My mother had never acknowledged that I had weight to lose. I was in the dressing room trying on this dress that was the prettier dress, the more expensive dress, the alternate dress. I’m trying it on and I fall into my mother’s lap in the dressing room and I start crying. I said, “I’m tired of this.” She said, “If this is how you feel, then you’re going to have to make a change.”

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That moment was for me, her acknowledging that she saw the weight too. The fact that she saw it was by any imagination mean to me at all. She finally acknowledged that I had to weight to lose. For me, that was where I was like, “I need to do something.” I joined a local gym. I walked every day to the gym. I had no car. I wasn’t old enough to drive. I walked every day, two miles to the gym. I’d work out 30 minutes to 1 hour or so. I’d walk home. I’ll never forget. It was a popular big-box chain and they had these group exercise classes. I didn’t know how you became part of the group exercise classes. All I knew is you had to pay an additional fee to do the classes. That’s what I told myself at least.

Here I am with pretty much no money. I’m fighting to find a way to pay the $50 membership that I was paying a month. I had told myself, “I can’t do those classes because I won’t be able to afford it.” One day after going to the gym for maybe three months or so, I mustered up the strength and the courage to walk over to one of the folks that worked at the counter at the gym and inquire about the classes like, “How much do I pay? How do I get to be a part of that?” They told me it was free. When I found out it was free, it was almost admitting to myself that it wasn’t about the money. It was more about me being nervous to go inside those classes and exercise in front of other people. I felt it would be number one, acknowledging that I had weight to lose. Number two, I felt like I would look ridiculous not knowing what was going on.

It was all slow and steady build. I used the equipment that I felt safe with and then I would find out about another piece of equipment and then feel safe with that. Finally, it took a year for me to walk into one of the group classes. I’m super happy that I did. It’s where I found that I had such a passion and a love for working out in a facilitated way like being instructed. Years had passed and by this time in total, I lost about 70 pounds. I probably lost around 40 pounds when the mindset shift came in. I say that because what it took to lose the 40 pounds, it took hard work and discipline.

When I would fall in and out, when my weight would fluctuate, I would find myself almost in a more negative place than I was when I started. When I was heavier, the world thought that I was big. I was living my life and enjoying myself. I had shame based on how people made me feel about my weight, but I was okay. As I started to lose weight and become “more accepted by people” when I started to put weight on, I felt like I was coming in and out of the cool club, if that makes sense. My confidence would shift. I would feel good about myself and then I wouldn’t feel good about myself. The way I felt about myself was contingent on what the scale said or didn’t say.

One day, there was a shift for me. It became less about a number. To be transparent with you, I can’t even remember the last time I weighed myself, which that alone was a process for me because it was something that I was dependent on for so long. Every time I stepped on the scale and it said what I wanted to say, it was approval or the complete opposite. For me, pushing that away and focusing more on a feeling like, “I’m going to work out because when I work out, I feel stronger. When I feel stronger, I feel more confident. When I feel more confident, that drives me and motivates me to get up and to want to do this again.” First, let me rewind and say there’s nothing wrong with wanting to lose weight as an adult.

At the beginning for me, it was only about losing weight, which worked. It got the weight off, but what’s allowed me to then go the extra mile and lose the additional weight and also maintain it, which is the most challenging part is maintaining it. You can lose weight, but finding a way to maintain it is when the real work starts. For me, the ability to maintain it is to focus on the feeling, focus on what I’m gaining out of the process rather than what I’m losing. A lot of times in my classes, I talk about this weight loss process for me has been much more about all the things that I’ve gained versus looking at the things I lost.

When you lose weight, you lose weight and then you hit a number, you hit the way that you want to look or the way you want your clothes to look and then what the process is over versus when you look at what you gain, you can continue to gain confidence. You can continue to gain strength. You continue to gain friendships by seeing people on the Leaderboard. Going with people on hikes, maintaining relationships within your romantic relationships. There’s much more that you have to gain in the process versus focusing on the one thing that it is to lose or that what you want to lose.

I have a follow-up question to that. I have always been a person that has struggled with weight loss myself. I find that the closer I get to my goal, the more I tend to not push as hard. I want to look strong, I want to look a certain way but I also want to eat all the food. It’s hard to keep my mind on it the closer I get to my goal. Did you ever struggle with that?

Yeah. You start feeling good and then you want to celebrate. You’re like, “I feel great. Let’s have a Margarita.” I feel great and I’m like, “Let’s go for Tex-Mex.” It’s a real thing. I was watching a show once and the talk show host said something great. She was like, “Why is it that when great life things happen, we want to celebrate with food.” If something great happens, go for a hike. If something great happens, pull up that digital app and log into a strength class with your friends and celebrate. I say that, but then life is moderation too. To live a completely clean life is, for me, it’s like, “I’m living a clean life,” but then what is that? Being able to enjoy and to have a good time from time-to-time. What you’re saying is it’s 100% true. I usually try to plan that out though.

If I have something specific coming up, maybe it’s a photoshoot or something where I’m being a little bit more disciplined than normal, I might hit whatever my target was for the shoot. The next day I’m like, “Let’s have pizza. Let’s celebrate or let’s have burgers.” It’s my favorite food, by the way. Let’s have a burger and some beers and celebrate. For me, it’s like, “We did that, and then we nip it in the bud and then we get back on it.” For example, a cheat day. I try to say, “It’s a cheap meal. I will have as many things as I can shove into my mouth within this meal,” and then we get it back together after that. It goes and it comes but going back to that not holding onto a number.

If I’m saying, “I feel great about myself and I’m going to cheat.” If you cheat and you fluctuate and your goal is not necessarily to be surrounded by this number, your goal is to feel good. It should be easier than to get back on target because you know what you need to do to feel good. It’s hard to say, “This is how many pounds I want to lose within X amount of days.” If you say, “I want to feel good.” You know exactly what it takes to feel good. Maybe drink less, maybe monitor this, maybe monitor that. You’ll get to feeling good a lot faster than you will a number. If you can focus on feeling good, the number of that other stuff comes. It’s part of the process. It can’t come.

I like excess and moderation.

The next question was from everyone, “How do we get your arms?”

My ten-minute arms toning, check it out. Intervals and arms. The funny thing about that, Crystal, is that I started with Peloton a few months before I launched. Since I started with Peloton, I’m joking with the girlfriend. I don’t remember the last time I picked up anything heavier than a three-pound weight. I do so much weekly within all of my classes. Whether it’s an intervals and arms ride or a hip hop ride or a ten-minute arm toning. I’m constantly doing something within my rides that I don’t like to go and to lift anything else later. I don’t focus on my arms too much outside of what I put up on demand. It is all there. Aside from that, I’d say, I focus on body weight. Things like planks, pushups and downward dog, for shoulder specifically and triceps. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be able to lift the weight in my class. It’s funny.

A lot of the members are like, “How do you not put the weight down during class?” I specifically strategically program my arm sections to hit fatigue. You shouldn’t be able to finish it. You shouldn’t be able to not either drop your hands or your weights. The reason I’m not dropping my weight is that I’m on camera and people are watching me. There’s adrenaline. You better believe it. I’ll do my ten-minute arm toning sessions to see how it felt like a member. I’m like, “This girl is crazy.” I’m on adrenaline from the cameras being on and the energy in the room. Aside from that you better believe I’d be dropping those weights too. If you’re dropping them and you’re reading, you are doing the right thing, you are winning. In the movie White Men Can’t Jump and when she’s in jeopardy she’s like, “Winning is losing, then losing is winning.” I don’t remember the quote, but yes it’s that.

This one is from Emily Crane Becker. She asks if you do your makeup before the live rides.

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Thank you, Emily. It’s a funny question because a lot of people have the perception that we have a hair and makeup team that gets us ready before class. We don’t. We all do our hair and makeup. We do a lot of posting as we’re getting ready. Those are mic techs and room techs. These are people that are making sure that everything is fluid in terms of the efficiency of the way that the classes are running. A lot of times when you see people in a post in our stories or whatnot when we’re getting ready, that’s what they’re doing. Even if we did, I’ve done makeup for fifteen years. If we did have a makeup artist, I would tell her to enjoy a long lunch break because I’m young with that piece of it, but no. We all do our hair and makeup, wardrobe and all of it.

I have a follow-up question, which is probably a weird coming from a guy. She’s like, “Oh dear.”

Cody asks me every question that you can probably already ask. He asks me beauty tips. He was watching me put my lipstick on and I do not even want to get into how many things I put on my lip to get at the color that I want it to look. He was fascinated, so go for it. You’re not going to focus.

At some point I’m like, “She doesn’t even need us.” “Do you have to do anything special with your makeup because you’re presumably going to be sweating and stuff?”

I do like to use products that for example, foundation. I like to use things that are longer wearing or perhaps the things that is waterproof. I’ll stay away from using powders because it tends to kick up more. I’ll use creamier products. For example, some of the girls, they’ll go a little bit darker in their foundation so that they don’t look too blown out by the camera. It’s more I would say less about the fact that it’s going to sweat off because it’s going to sweat off. It’s more so about choosing the right colors that look good under that bright of light for the amount of time that’s going to stay on. We have a running joke like, “I start class with brows and blush. By the time the class is over, the only thing that’s on my lips still is my lip gloss and my lipstick.”

That’s dangerous though because that’s how people can tell if you’re phoning it in.

I shot a five-minute cool down and five-minute warm-up ride. Cody looks at me and he’s like, “Tunde, it was a cool down.” I’m like, “I know,” but I’m drenched in sweat. I don’t know if I sweat easily or what that part is. I typically tend to beef up that resistance because I want to be able to feel what people are feeling and then a little bit more so that I don’t go too crazy with some of the stuff that I program.

Alex Nelson wanted to know, “What type of workouts do you like to do on your own?”

This is not a shameless plug for Peloton. It is not. I love instruction when I’m working out. I’m a fitness instructor, but I also love to be instructed. There’s something about having to stay present. If I go to the gym on my own will, a lot of times I’m like, “I’ll do this for a little bit and I get bored with that.” I start floating around the gym and there you go, 45 minutes to 1-hour passed. I’m going home. I showed up. With that being said, not a shameless plug for Peloton, but I do log into the Peloton digital app and take classes with my buddies and my colleagues and things like that. I’ll pop into a Pilates class here or there. For the most part, I do strength and resistance training when I’m not on the bike, which is a great balance in terms of bone health and strength.

Alex also had a follow-up question, “How has your life changed since you’ve joined Peloton?”

We can spend the rest of the interview with that question. I have never been so busy and fulfilled in my entire life. It’s funny because a lot of people don’t know what the life of a Peloton instructor looks like. It’s much beyond the bike, the tread or the mat. There’s much that we do, but it’s with such gratitude. You paint a picture of what you want your life to look like and you have a dream. I would never have dreamt of this. I didn’t know that I could have set my expectations so high, if that makes sense. Every day I wake up and first of all, I’m like, “I live in New York. When did that happen? How did I get here?” Aside from that piece of it, being in this beautiful city, it’s like, “I can’t believe that I’m doing what I want to do.”

This is what I said I wanted to do not by any images on this level, this life-changing but I get to do what I want to do. I get to connect with people. I get to inspire people. I get to come into people’s homes, not in a crazy, creepy way, but I get to be at people’s homes with them and teach. I always end each class by saying, “It’s my honor and my pleasure to get to sweat with you. It’s my honor and my pleasure to serve you on this bike. I believe a life that is lived in purpose is a life that is led in service.” There’s no better way than I could think of to be of service than doing this on this platform.

I always think that the existence of Peloton and what it’s become, when you decided to become a fitness instructor, this wasn’t an option. It’s like kids in the ’60s that started a band. You didn’t know that you could become The Beatles until there was The Beatles. That’s what’s happening.

I created The Beatles.

You’re The Beatles of Fitness.

I like that, The Beatles of Fitness. I’m going to put that on a shirt. It’s nothing I could have dreamt. You dream to do what you want to do. You do whatever you feel like your gift is, hopefully, get paid for it. This dream didn’t exist. I didn’t even know how to dream about this.

It’s when chefs started becoming stars. Those people didn’t become chefs thinking, “I’ll be famous.”

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This is Iron Chef.

Those worlds merged because you know why chefs became stars? It’s Alice Cooper’s manager. Farrell was the guy that was like, “Chefs should be famous,” and made it happen.

Marianne Howard would like to know, you had your Fireside Chat at Brooklyn Museum. I wish that I lived in New York City. I was jealous. I cannot be there. “How did that come about? What was it like and what was your favorite part?”

It’s like, “Take me back.” Full transparency, I am still floating on a cloud. It was such an experience. I have a great honor. Honor seems too small of a word to use of sitting down with Common and having a conversation around mental health and wellness. He was incredibly transparent and vulnerable. In his book, he talks a lot about his experience with mental health. It’s some of the experiences and things that drove him to seek therapy. With listening to his music and seeing the work that he’s done as an activist and author, I know that he is fully present in who he is. I would’ve never imagined that he was as candid and transparent and vulnerable as he was. I feel like I left and I can speak for many people. We left feeling better humans coming out of it. Feeling much more connected with self. When I say like “I’m still on cloud nine from it.” It’s when you close your eyes and you try to remember all the things that happened because you just want to stay at it and relive it. It was, “I’m trying to remember. I’m trying to hold onto this experience because it was such an incredible experience.” It was great.

Lots of our friends posted pictures of it. John Mills and Calvin Harris posted pictures. It looked cool. that’s awesome.

Our next question, and I hope I’m saying this right, is from Priya Banerjee. I know you touched on this a little bit, but she’s curious as to what your diet is like day-to-day?

I have been the person that did no sugar or no carbs or no alcohol, no whatever else are the bad things, and it works. For me, I should say in terms of maintaining it, I love food and it requires a lot of food to get me full so much that my old boss was always like, “Are you sure you don’t have a tapeworm? Why does it take much to get full?” I’m always a person on a date where the server brings out the food and they give the man whatever and they give me the salad. I’m like, “That one is not mine.” With that being said, life is all about moderation.

In my home, everything in my refrigerator is healthy. I packed my refrigerator with greens and fruits and I do an Ezekiel bread and brown rice. If you cut me open, my cauliflower rice might pour out. I have healthy things at home. When I am out, I will try to drink water before I go out. I drink more water so that I’m not as hungry. I try to not go out starving. It depends on the occasion. If the purpose of what we’re doing is to gorge and eat as much as we can, it’s different. I try to eat good things first, if I’m going out to eat with the room that’s left, I’ll eat whatever else it was. I’ll say my thing is and I joke a lot because Kendall and I are close.

You know when you always have the friend that orders the best thing on the menu, the thing that you wanted to get, but you shouldn’t. Kendall always orders that thing that I wanted. Here’s the difference between Kendall and I. I finish my food and then my friend’s food. I tend to get healthier things because I know I eat a lot. Whereas Kendall would order pasta and then have 5 or 6 bites of it and be like, “I’m stuffed.” I might be full but I paid for it or I’m like, “I’m not full until the plate is clean and then to clean your plate as well.” It’s moderation. That’s my answer.

I have to point this out, you know that they have multiple things that are on the menu. There’s not one of each back there. You could both order it.

The same thing?


I lie to myself that I’m like, “I’ll get the burger lettuce wrap.” She’ll get the pasta and then I eat my burger, lettuce wrap and then I finished her leftover pasta. I come in with an expectation and I will say for someone who is like, “How do I go out and go out to eat and stick to my plan?” What did help me in the process of, when I was looking to cut back? I would look at the menu before I got to the restaurant and it helps tremendously. Once you get to the restaurant and you’re hungry, they always say don’t go shopping. Don’t go to the grocery store when you’re hungry because you’ll come out with all the things you didn’t plan to get. I used to look at the menu a lot before I got to the restaurant. That way, whatever I was going to get was set. I didn’t open it. I was going to stick to that plan and that helped a lot.

That’s good advice. I like the don’t open the menu after you already decided.

You glossed over it, but I thought it was good advice about when you said that you fill up on good stuff and then you top off on junk instead of the other way around.

What do you do with the breadbasket? That’s the real question. Are you a bread junkie? I’m a bread junkie.

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The breadbasket doesn’t do it for me. When they walk around with that dessert tray, that is the kryptonite. The bread thing is fine. I take it or leave it.

That’s my problem. They both do me in.

On the way home, she’s like, “Let’s stop for ice cream.”

You’re speaking my language.

I already tanked the day.

What’s your favorite ice cream?

We have a frozen custard chain here called Andy’s. They have a couple of concretes that I love, one of which is called triple chocolate. It has chocolate ice cream and hot fudge and brownie chunks in it. It is amazing.

If you come for homecoming, you and I, the three of us, we are going out for ice cream.

We will be there.

You’re my favorite instructor ever. The other ones are always like “Tom, you need to exercise,” and you’re like, “F that, let’s go get ice cream.”

Yes, you need exercise but as I said, homecoming is a special thing. Let’s go and have some ice cream. I promise you I will kick our butts in a 45-minute class and then we’ll go.

That’s a fair exchange. Tom, you will exercise to have the ice cream.

I’ll be taking her other advice. I’ll be looking at the menu for the ice cream place so I can make my decision before I get there.

The next is from Lena Bruce Tanguay, she would like to know what hobbies you participate in during your spare time?

I have no spare time but if I did, I am a future author. I say that with confidence because one day I will write a book. I’m putting that out there. With that being said, I love reading and I was always embarrassed to say this, but I love reading self-help books. They should be called self-empowerment books. Help is such a negative connotation, but I love self-help books. I like to do that. It feels like it puts me in a better space. I love dancing, particularly salsa dancing. I am known for holding it down on the dance floor at our company parties. I like to enjoy some wine with my girlfriends. How about that?

That’s a good one. It makes sense that you would like self-help books. I’m wondering about my love of True Crime. It’s like, “What do I have going on in there?” What are some of your favorite self-help books that you’ve liked the most?

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Brené Brown, Daring Greatly.

I’ve never read one of her books, but I see her quotes.

You haven’t lived.

I have seen some of her quotes and they are good. 

That is the top of my list, Brené Brown, Daring Greatly. She also has a book on shame, which is phenomenal. Eckhart Tolle’s A New Earth is fantastic. I read Common’s book, Let Love Have The Last Word, which is not necessarily a self-help book. It’s more of a memoir on love. He’s deep that it comes across a little self-help if you feel better after if that makes sense? Those are some good ones on top of my list.

Gina Mitchell has a two-part question, “How did you first become aware of Peloton? When and how did you end up at Peloton?”

I feel like at this point you’d have to be living literally under a rock to not know what Peloton is, whether you’ve done it, tried it or not because it’s everywhere. I don’t know. This is a guess. I’m sure I saw a commercial. I remember when I first heard about the idea of there was this bike and then you worked out at home. I didn’t understand the idea that it was live. I thought you were like, you see Billy Blanks has a Tae Bo video. You take the same Tae Bo 1 of 5 tapes every day. I thought that rinse, watch and repeat, take the same class.

As the company grew, I began to understand it more for what it was. I was here in New York on a business trip and still not necessarily completely understanding what Peloton was. I took Robin’s class. I didn’t know what I was in for. I heard that woman, I left there. Take the class aspect out of it, which was an incredible class. I was consumed with how unapologetically herself she was. Most from the class are like, “It was a great workout.” My biggest takeaway was like, “This girl is who she is. She is exactly who she wants to be and doesn’t say sorry for it.” She caught my eye. I left there researching this company, what is it? I found out about her incredible story and got inspired from there.

Did that naturally bring you to Peloton to work there?

No. It was not even. Fast forward, I’ve started working out, started realizing that I love working out. I started saying, “I have an interest in teaching and giving back.” At this point, even when I started in the world of cycling and teaching cycling, this was too big of something to dream for like, “Somebody says I want to be a singer.” It looks like your friend is saying, “I want to be Beyoncé.” It’s like, “Let’s start with some singing lessons and then we’ll go from there.” That’s what Peloton was for me. It was something that doesn’t happen to people. I can’t even think of how many of us there are with the expansion of the UK. There are 31 instructors in total. Who dreams for that? That’s my answer. Did I see myself doing this? No. Did people see themselves landing on the moon either? No. Did Obama know he was going to be president? No.

Where did you grew up and do you have any siblings? Are they also into fitness?

One of them specifically, he’s funny. My brothers were star athletes growing up. I was always Tony and Towson’s little sister. My brothers were a bit older than me. When you have a sibling that’s in sports and then the next generation comes in, when they left high school, I came in. All the coaches were super excited. They’re like, “Another Oyeneyin.” I was like, “Nope. I’m in a choir. I don’t have an explanation to save my life.” I was such a disappointment to all the coaches in that aspect. I have three brothers. One of them passed away at a young age. He was nineteen. My two brothers are living. One of them he lost over 100 and something pounds trying to do the Peloton.

He found his way back into fitness. He was a football athlete in high school. The other brother, he does what he does. He does what he wants to do. When you’re taking weight out of it, taking weight loss outside of it. When you want to be active, you have to choose to do it. Nobody can tell you. He keeps saying, “I’m almost ready.” I’m like, “Take my class and support. Take my class one time.” When he does finally take my class, I’ll be sure to give you guys an update and let you know. Aside from that, no, they’re not in fitness aside my oldest brother and what he does daily.

Does your brother who lost the weight with Peloton, does he take your classes or somebody else’s?

You better believe it. I have access to his app. I do see the app. When I was on vacation, he took other people’s classes and I don’t know why it brings me much joy. It makes me happy. I’m like, “Who did you take and why do you take that specific class?” He did not take my classes at first because he thought it was too hard. I explained to him I’m like, “I’m not going to come through the bike.” The cadence and resistance numbers I call are a guide. I say that in every class he’s going to take. What’s funny to hear that and get that feedback because I’m like, “You are my brother.” My phone alerts me when he takes a ride, “Anthony takes a ride.” It gives me much joy.

I feel connected. He lives in Texas. I’m here in New York. To know that we’re still a daily basis is exciting. My niece and nephews think that I am the equivalent of Rihanna, Miley Cyrus or they think that I’m cool. Sometimes they turn the bike on and this is not a joke, to listen to me talk. They’re not watching the screen, but they’ll have Auntie Tunde on in the background. I don’t know why it makes me happy, but I see it so cool. I have friends text me all the time and they say, “My boss or my so-and-so took your class.” I’m like, “They were there?” They’re like, “No. They live in Michigan.” I’m like, “Yes, that’s right. People are at home. I forget.”

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Diane Garrison would like to know, “Who or what inspires you?”

My mother is no longer with us, but every single thing that I do every day I do in her honor. Everything I do, I do for that woman, my mom.

Brian Albright would like to know where you picked up your love of music and especially all the different types of music you’re into?

I feel like the Peloton world is still trying to figure me out a bit musically. I have such an eclectic taste for music. I was born in Texas. It is a lot of southern Hip Hop. You’ve got the country aspect of it, which I played my first country song. I played Dixie Chicks. I play a lot of country. I listened to the country hanging out at a bar or something. In my classes, I don’t tend to play in many country. There’s from Southern to Eastern to West. There’s a difference within the Pop world, the Hip Hop world-class. I was exposed to classic rock a lot in Texas. You’ve got the West coast, which exposed me to more EDM sounds and things like that. The East Coast is the East Coast. It’s all-encompassing.

I like sound, I like drums. I like music that emotes feelings and emotions. Whether that is pop or rock or EDM or Hip Hop, take the label away, I’m more concerned about the way that it makes me feel. When I’m programming my classes, it’s probably coming from stems from my experience as a makeup artist being detailed. Having such an eye for the small fine print that when I create my classes. Rather than looking for a genre, unless it’s a specific, this is a ‘90s pop. Truly with whether it is musically drugged or not. I look for songs that will push you through whatever it is or I look for music that will build you to get through whatever specific push it is that we’re doing.

Sometimes even if it’s a recovery, I’ll choose a recovery track that has adrenaline to it to amp you up for the thing that’s about to come. Perhaps I know there’s a specific story that I want to tell with my low-impact rise. I tend to get self-help books. My low impact rides that side of Tunde comes out a little bit more. The side of Tunde that wants to write and to encourage people through words. That lends itself to a little bit more storytelling because it’s not as intense. In those rides, I’ll specifically program music that requires you to feel. I take the genre out of it and I look for a feeling.

Melissa Monroe would like you to tell us about your experience on Deal or No Deal?

It’s such a long story. In a nutshell, I was working at a makeup counter in 2007 or 2008. I know the showed didn’t air until 2009. It was a long audition process. It was very long waiting for your turn to go on the show. I never auditioned for the show. They found me. I was at a makeup counter. I tend to have a lot of energy naturally. That’s how I’ve always been. I was energetic that day, maybe particularly energetic. There was a girl I was helping find a concealer and she said, “You have a lot of energy.” I told her about how I loved my job much and I started working for the company I was working for at the time. She’s super excited. I just moved to LA and my mother told me to be careful because people were going to promise me things to try to get things out of me. I was 21 at the time. She was being a protective and cautious mother as she should have been.

Long story short, these people tell me that it’s two people. They say that, “We are from Deal or No Deal. We would love for it to have you come in and shoot tape and potentially be on the show.” At first, I and my girlfriends at the counter were thinking that they want me to be one of the suitcase models and then they’re like, “No, we would like for you to come and try to win a lot of money.” We, of course, all flipped out. I wrote down my number because I’m thinking about what my mother said. My mother said, “Don’t trust these people.” I write down a fake number. These people are still at the counter and they’re still talking to us. My gut says, “You can trust these people.” I said, “Can I see that again? I want to make sure my handwriting was legible.” I scratched up a fake number and then write my real number. I went to the show. I won a car and a lot of money. It was the second car that I’d won in my life. I won a Ford on show. It was a Ford Flex. A couple of years before that, I’d won in high school a Ford Focus.

How did you win the car in high school? 

I’m sure they do it everywhere, but in Texas, they did this thing, I can’t remember what it’s called. They bring all the kids together so that people don’t go off and do drugs and drink on Graduation Day.

We called it Lock-In.

Between four schools, they’ll do a raffle and one person from the ISD, from that school district, wins a car every year. They did a lottery. I won to represent my school. There were four of us there from all the other schools in the district. It was a gambling game. You have to pull a number. The number that you pulled would designate which order you would go in to pull a key. Whoever’s key opens and turns the car on, would win. I was the last person to pull the number, but I happened to pull number one. I go in, I turned the key, the car starts and you can imagine winning a car. It was the most wow experience and it happens again. When I won the car on Deal or No Deal, Howie was like, “Have you ever bought a car in your life?” It was crazy.

Monica Lane would like to know your favorite brand of makeup that holds up during rides.

Number one, it’s difficult to say a favorite. To choose a paper brand, it depends on when if I’m writing or going out and whatnot. To me, it’s more about each individual’s lifestyle, the type of skin they have and the way they want their skin to look. I have an active lifestyle. I have oily skin and I want my makeup to look natural, but I want it to wear all day. I typically tend to choose products that are oil-free, long-wearing waterproof. On the bike, I tend to go with things that are more matte finish in terms of the foundation because before I get through my intro, I was sweating bullets. I’m up there talking and I start sweating. It’s a little bit the nerves or what part of it is, but I tend to sweat a lot.

Sean Tenling wants to know if you’ve met Al Roker since apparently, he talks about you quite a bit on the show?

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Uncle Al, no. I wish he was my Uncle. We’ve never met. He’s incredible. I know that he had hip surgery or hip replacement surgery. He’s back in the saddle, pun intended. He’s been taking a lot of my low impact rides, which has been incredible. He rode with us live. It was cool. He posted about it afterwards and then talked about it on the show. I can speak on behalf of Peloton by saying and like, “Which is great to have him as part of the Peloton community.” How cool to be able to say like, “We all rode with Al Roker.”

“Who mentored you in your life that helped you develop such confidence and pride in yourself?” That is from Christine Hannah.

I would say my mother and then my best friends. Confidence to me is not something that you have and then you just have. It’s in and out and comes in waves. I would say there are days that I’m confident and days I’m less confident, but to get even more granular than that, there are moments that I’m confident and that I will fall out of the confidence. I pick up the phone and I call one of my best friends who my best friends are like family and they have to talk me back into it. I’m like, “You’re right. Yes.” I called my best friend before I went into that interview with Common. I FaceTimed her and she picks up the phone.

She knew exactly why I was calling. I don’t even have to say hello. She knew what was about to happen and she knew I was calling for a pep talk. When you have those friends who build you up and say everything that you needed to hear. It’s important to surround yourself with people like that. Whether I was 3 or 34, I’ve always been blessed with good people around me. I always say a true best friend is somebody that says, “We.” It’s like, “When do we interview? We got the job.” When your win they take as their win, and their win is your win, your losses are their loss and vice versa.

To me, those are the type of people to have around you because those are the people that are always going to root for you to win but also be the first people to put you in check and tell you when you’re wrong. Tell you how to make it right. To put that little boost of confidence in you when they find you slipping. The answer to the question is having good people around me, my best friends. Knowing it’s not always that way. I would hate to put out that image or that expectation that I’m always confident. I am a confident person, but it comes and then it pops out and then I have to pick it back up again.

‎Todd Kovalsky‎ would you like to know what is the biggest challenge you overcame as a kid and/or adult?

I struggled with my weight a lot when I was younger. I didn’t have a lot of people that looked like me growing up. I went to a predominantly white school. I was the darkest person at my school. I hadn’t seen people that look like me. I will never forget, I was watching TV one day. I had this confidence of why do I look different from everyone? The funny side of that is, why I’m confident? It’s where I feel like my beauty stems from. I am beautiful because my skin is dark versus when I was younger I didn’t think I was beautiful because my skin was dark. I watched Naomi Campbell in an interview and it was my first time seeing her on TV. She was in 20/20 with Diane Sawyer or something. I don’t know. It’s the ’90s.

I see her come on TV and I looked at my mom who my mother had light skin. My father was dark. That’s why I would say I landed somewhere in the middle, but still much closer to my dad’s side. I saw Naomi Campbell come on the screen and I looked at my mom and I said, “She’s beautiful.” My mom said, “She is beautiful.” I said, “Do you think if she’s beautiful, that I could be beautiful too?” I remember that moment because I remember seeing the look in my mom’s eyes. It was the first time she realized like, “This is a complex for this girl.” She made it a point if somebody complimented me and said I was beautiful.

She’s ingrained in, “They think you’re beautiful because your skin is dark. When they’re complimenting your skin, your skin shines because you are dark.” It was a big thing that I went through. When I see young people struggling with similar things, whether it’s red hair or having freckles, being pale or also being dark, I wish I could get inside of their heads and say, “This is why you are you. This is what makes you unique.” When you’re younger, all you want to do is fit in. The things that separate you are the things that you try to hide from. As you become older, those are the things that you embrace because they do make you who you are.

I can’t imagine as beautiful as you are that you ever questioned that because you are gorgeous.

I knew I was beautiful at home and then I left home and then I didn’t know. I didn’t see anybody be it and hear it. It was one of those things where I was like, “You’re saying that because you have to say that because you’re my parent.”

Kids are always dismissive of what their parents think.

That’s the job. I get it. On the heels of that, Sally Hilger would like to know what life lesson has taken you the longest to learn?

To be patient with me, to be forgiving with myself. I’ve always held myself at such a high expectation in whatever it is that I was doing, whether it was like competing in a choir, a music contest or whatever. I’ve always had high expectations for what I wanted to do. Being patient with myself, being forgiving with myself, like I would be patient with a friend. I would forgive a friend who has taken me time to settle into it. I feel like I’m finally getting to a place where I’m more comfortable in that, more lenient in that. Even in the job that I do when you’re in front of thousands of humans at any given point of time. It’s easy to walk away from a situation or a scenario and be critical of yourself. There’s no such thing as perfect. Nothing’s ever going to be perfect. The only thing that I can do is put my best foot forward and if I mess up or make a mistake in life or work or things, the only thing I can do is the next time that same opportunity presents itself is to do better. To not beat me up for what was.

We’re almost at the end of our hour. We don’t want to go over and take up too much of your time. We’ll end with one last question. This is from Brittany Jewel and she asked, what’s your best training advice?

My best training advice is to do something that you love to do. You can do anything for X amount of time or X amount of days, but if it’s something if training is something that you want to do consistently and you’re doing it for the long haul, you have to enjoy doing it. If you’re setting this expectation of, “I want to get stronger or I want to lose weight.” Once that happens, once you hit the goal, then there’s nothing that commits you to then continuing to do it. If it’s something that you love doing, then you show up for it because you have the love and the passion for that something and that sport. Maybe it’s the fact that you get to do it with a group of people and you love that bonding from doing it with a group of friends.

You could do it for many different reasons, but you’ve got to find something you like to do. I promise you I’m not plugging Peloton, but that’s what I love much about what we offer at Peloton is that there are many different modalities. Whether you like cycling, running, strength training, Bootcamp and yoga. Everyone can come and everyone’s invited to the party. If you don’t like cycling, you don’t force yourself to fall in love with it. Find something that you love to do, try running. If you love to do it, you will continue to come back for the love of it. That love of it will keep you doing it, hopefully forever.

I’ve never felt that way at exercise before Peloton and I’ve been doing for three years. I love it.

We’ve all done that. We’ve all been in that class or something. You had a friend that said it worked for them and then you’re doing it. You dread driving there. There’s this point where you find something that you love to do and you’re mad. You’re pissed that you didn’t get to do it. You’re trying to leave work early, you’re calling in sick. You chat your girlfriends that you’re going to be late for dinner because you want to do that thing. Find that thing and then hold onto it.

Thank you so much for taking the time out of your schedule to join us. We appreciate it. 

It’s been wonderful. Thank you. 

Thank you, Tom and Crystal. Thank you both so much. It was my honor and pleasure, honestly, to sit here with you and have this conversation. I’m happy that you wanted to sit down and chat.

You’ll have to come back when your book is out to promote it.

We’ll have to get ice cream before then but yes, we’ll sit down and we’ll do a book chat hopefully here soon.

I’ve got to figure it out. Write a book about ice cream.

It would be two pages. It would be a picture of me surrounded by ice cream.

That’s a great cover of a book. It’s all I’m saying. 

That’s a dream, honestly.

We are going to take you up on the ice cream date at Homecoming, just so you know. Thank you again for doing this.

Thank you. It’s nice to meet you.

That brings this episode to a close. What do you have in store for people next episode?

We have a very special guest, Panos Papadiamantis. He works for a company called PNOĒ. For those of you who are interested in heart rate training in particular, you are going to want to tune in. Or for any of you who are interested in VO2 Max test, you need to tune in. This is an amazing technology. I don’t usually like bringing in people who have nothing to do with Peloton. This is probably the only exception that I would make. This person does not ride a Peloton. However, you’re going to want to listen because what he does can change the way you calculate your exercise and your caloric intake to get the results you want. If training is your goal, if increasing output is your goal along with reducing the fat that you have, reducing your weight in a healthy manner, this is something you’re going to want to hear. It’s very cool. Taking the entire VO2 Max capability, that test, and completely minimizing it to the point that a home user can do it is very exciting stuff. I’m pumped to tell you all about it.

That’s what people have to look forward to. Until then, where can they find you?

People can find me at They can also find me on Instagram, Twitter on the Bike and of course the Tread, @ClipOutCrystal.

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143: Homecoming Sells Out in 9-Minutes! Plus our Interview with Nicole O’Mara

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There’s a lot of hype around the online sphere for the Peloton Bike, but there’s a new movement gathering around the Peloton Tread.

After all, some people enjoy their bike workouts, but others do need a good run.

Nicole O’Mara is one such Peloton enthusiast who’s mostly made the switch to the Tread.

Nicole shares her experience of making the switch with Crystal and Tom O’Keefe.

Could the Peloton Tread be more your speed?

Find out now!

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Homecoming Sells Out in 9-Minutes! Plus our Interview with Nicole O’Mara

The sickness is setting in.

I don’t feel good. I think it has arrived. I blame you.

You should. I had it. I still have the cough.

I over did it signing up for homecoming. That’s what the final straw was.

Not to give too much details, but I lost three-and-a-half pounds. That is not hyperbole. Low carb bulimia is not advisable, but it is effective. Hopefully, you don’t get that end of things.

I hope not.

I also learned a very valuable lesson about when and when not to sneeze. Let’s leave it at that. What do you have in store for people?

We are going to talk about Peloton, shocking. We’re going to talk about homecoming. We’ve got lots to talk about. We have an interesting article from Motley Fool Investing. We’re going to talk about an instructor that’s no longer with Peloton. We have a visit from the Peloton Prophet, then all kinds of little detailed information about things that are happening.

Before we get to all that, shameless plugs, don’t forget, we’re available at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Play, wherever you get your podcasts, you can find us. While you’re there, be sure and subscribe so you never miss an episode. Of course, you can find us on Facebook, While you’re there, like the page, join the group. You’ll get all sorts of things like handy tips about how to get your homecoming tickets. We had people saying that we were the reason they got their tickets. They were like, “Thank you, Crystal, for the tips. I have tickets now and it’s all because of you.” That’s what they said. That’s another valuable service that we offer. Of course, you can feel free to leave us a review there in Apple Podcasts or Facebook, wherever. We have a new review. It’s from iLisa1983. She says, “Peloton Prophet FTW. I only had my bike for about six weeks and binge-listened to all the episodes because I was so pumped. I especially love the Peloton Prophet and getting insider information. Keep up the good work.”

To be clear, the Peloton Prophet does not work for Peloton, so it is not technically insider information.

We like to put that disclaimer on there, so Peloton doesn’t think we’ve infiltrated the company. That’s all of that. Let’s dig in.

I can’t tell you how relieved I am that we got homecoming tickets today. I can’t even imagine what this household would have looked like had we not managed to secure at least one ticket. I would stand out on the sidewalk and wait patiently for you. By patiently, I mean at the comedy cellar. It would not have been good. We don’t mean to rub it in the face for people who maybe tried and didn’t get tickets, but I’m just saying it would’ve been ugly.

I was ready to go. I had three computers. I had my phone. I’ve talked about my coworker before who’s my boss who gives me a lot of crap for a lot of things, including how slow I am. He slow-shames. He speed-shamed me. I got to work and he was there and I was like, “This is not good a day for him to be here. Today’s a big day for me, you can mess with me all you want after I have the tickets, but until I have the tickets, you need to leave me alone. From 11:00 to 11:15, do not talk to me.” It’s 11:00 to 11:15 because we’re Central time. They went on sale at noon Eastern. He came over and stood next to me while I was typing in the credit card information and he was like, “What are you doing?” I was like, “Stop it. I will tell you in 30 seconds when this goes through.” Then it went through and I was like, “We can all breathe now, people.”

I feel confident that the people were breathing the whole time. I got it too.

I’m so grateful you did because the first time, mine didn’t go through. It was like, “We had an error. Could you do that again?” I was like, “No,” so I did again and it went through that time. It was all good.

Last year 2019, it’s all out in twelve minutes. This year in nine minutes.

I actually don’t know how many minutes it was last year. Last year 2019, the difference is that they had Saturday packages and Sunday packages and there were all kinds of confusion. Saturday sold out fast. Sunday never sold out. If it sold out in twelve minutes last year, that was only for Saturday. This year it sold out in nine minutes for the whole shebang.

It was when people are upset because they didn’t get to pick there. The thing is even if you did get to pick, you probably wouldn’t have gotten to pick.

I get that people want to be in a class with somebody. They probably need to figure that out. They need to say like, “I want to take a class with this person,” and add a box to be able to do that. Then you’d link each other, but it’s so hard. I think that it went beautifully compared to 2019. It was perfect compared to 2019. Last year 2019, it didn’t even happen on the first day.

The site didn’t crash, they didn’t have to refund a bunch of tickets and have everybody start over. It was a market improvement over the last year 2019.

And I know that it sold out really fast, but there are 750,000 subscribers to Peloton and there are 3,000 tickets. You can see that coming.

Unless they figure out a way to accommodate more people. This is not going to get better anytime soon. At least I hope it’s not. If it gets easier to get tickets, it means nobody’s interested anymore.

It’s tough because a lot of people are like, “I don’t want to deal with it on Peloton. I don’t want to deal with homecoming weekend. I want to go on my own. I’ve been whatever.” I get that. For us, we have to go. I mean that I want to go. We can’t go to New York two or three times a year, so this is it. I want to see as many people as possible. I love it.

Hopefully, you got your tickets. If not, if you’re wait-listed, hopefully someone has a change of plans.

For those of you wait-listed, there’s a lot of you that have a very good chance of getting in because you can refund up until for one. The schedules come out on March 9th, so whatever classes you picked, “I have these five bike instructors, I have these three tread instructors,” so let’s say that people get their schedules on March 9th and they’re not happy with it, so now they’re not going. They’re going to be asking for a refund. That means you on the wait list move up in line. I do think that’s going to help.

A lot of people that can go to New York frequently that live close or travel a lot for work, if they don’t get the classes they want, I think you will see them bailing, and those wait-list people will move in.

It happened in 2019.

Keep your fingers crossed. Don’t lose hope.

Another date you need to know is February 24th. You can make changes on your preferences for the instructors you chose up until February 24th. Log in and make your changes. That’s February 24th, schedules come out on March 9th, refund until April 1st.

I thought it was interesting that someone posted on our page that people in the UK, they were wanting to buy tickets and they were struggling because it made you enter a zip code and they don’t have zip codes. Over there, they call them postal codes.

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It wouldn’t accept foreign zip codes. They only accepted US zip codes.

I thought it was great that apparently some people that lived over there, they only knew one zip code and it was 90210.

There are a lot of people coming from 90210. That made my day. That was so funny.

If you see lots of people with British accents, but with large sideburns, it’s because of 90210.

I think this is going to be great. Did you want to talk about anything that’s coming up for homecoming? You talked about you wanted to go through the site and talk about all the stuff. Now you look like you have no idea what I’m talking about.

I was like, “You should go through the site.” Were there any highlights that you saw that you thought people should know about?

Things are different from last year 2019. One thing I’ve learned about Peloton is they change things every year. They don’t do the same thing twice, which I appreciate. Last year 2019, everybody was ticked off that there were a limited amount of spots for the community run. This year 2020, no limit. Everybody was invited. Friday, 3:00 PM, everybody can join the community run. That means that it doesn’t count as one of your classes, which I don’t think it did last year 2019 either. You still get a studio class. This year, another thing that’s different is you don’t get to pick your studio class because last year 2019, you had the stress twice. You had the stress of buying the ticket. Then once you had the ticket, you had to go and pick your instructor. That was insanity. That was a knockdown drag-out fight and everybody ended up pissed off about it.

You get one class, and for those of you who are new to this whole realm, not everybody’s going to get a Bike class. There are 3,000 people coming. There’s no way to fit 3,000 people on the bikes in one weekend. We think there are only 70 Bikes, so you can’t. The math isn’t there. That means, some of you are going to be on Treads, some of you are going to be on Bikes, some of you are going to be in Yoga. You’ve got to pick from two and then you say, “I would like these instructors,” and you pick from five on the Bike, you pick from three on the Tread. All of that was different from last year 2019. In March 9th, you’re going to get handed an instructor. That’s all different.

That instructor is yours to keep. Do you get to take them home?

No, Tom. Another thing is they have said that there is a community celebration, but we don’t know. Is it Friday night or is it Saturday night? We don’t know anything yet. We do know it’s at a place called Terminal Five and it’s a giant ballroom. It seats 3,000 people. The look of the place tells me we’re going to have another musical guest, but I don’t know if that’s the case. That is purely speculation on my part. I’m very curious to see.

It’s a concert venue. I think it very much stands to reason that there will be some musical guests attached.

Also it’s in Hell’s Kitchen. That would be the first time I’ve been in Hell’s Kitchen. Not that it matters. I just like saying that. There are two hotels that they recommended. There was the EVEN and then there’s the Crowne Plaza. I have heard that the rooms are all booked at the Even already. In Crowne Plaza, last I heard they’re still available. “Can you transfer an event package to another member?” No, you can’t. Don’t even try. They’re not going to let you. It’s not happening.

I can’t scalp mine on the secondary market?

You cannot. Also another question I have heard a lot, “Can I still attend the warehouse sale?” No, you can’t. It says, “Only if you have a package.” They stuck with it last year 2019. They were like, “No.” There are a lot of people who are like, “I live in the city but I’m not going to the homecoming, so I want to come hang out with you.” No, you can’t. We can always meet up with people, but they can’t come to these things. It’s not a thing. It’s going to be a great time. I know there are some of you that are nervous like, “I don’t know if I’m going to like all these people.” You will because there’s a ton of first-time people that come, you will recognize people.

I feel like as it gets bigger, you’re getting more first-time people coming. A lot of people are like, “I liked it better when it was smaller.” The people that had been doing it every year are starting to be like, “No, thank you.” Because of that, more first-timers can come. It’s at least based on chatter online, that was my takeaway.

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I think that you will have a good time. You’re only going to get one studio workout, but you could come Thursday if you wanted or you could stay an extra day, obviously if your schedule budget allows.

If you do, that’s something to consider.

The other thing I will tell you is last year 2019, on Sunday it was really dead. There might be some things that you want to do that you didn’t think you should stay for. It was slow in the open space where they had all the instructors compared to Saturday. I don’t know what it’ll look like this year because the schedule is not out, but keep that in mind. People seem to be focused on the Saturday activities. Also, everyone stays up late the night of the celebration. There’s a lot of drinking. A lot of people don’t make it to their classes Sunday morning.

Do you have any anecdotal evidence that would back up this theory?

Make sure that if you want to take classes, show up on those mornings because they usually have a waitlist right there that you can hop in.

Odds will be very good on the Sunday. I think you’re three for three now, right?

No, I did my classes last year 2019.

Didn’t you have a Sunday class blew off last year 2019?

I don’t think so because I only had one and I took yours. All the years are starting to mingle.

Anyway, there’s a whole bunch of information for you and more tips and things to look for and whatnot. We talked about the stock price and the quarterly earnings reports.

I was so pumped after that earnings call.

We were so wrong, which is another good example of why you should not come to this show for investment advice. We do not know what we’re talking about. Motley Fool, an investing website and I believe podcast, had an interesting article about why the stock decline after that quarterly earnings report was dumb.

Literally, the title is Why Investors Overreacted on the Peloton Q2 Earnings. They overreacted for sure. We talked about in the last episode, I’m not going to recap all of that. I felt like it was great and I explained to you about the difference between last year versus this year and how it meant that there were 6,000 orders they pulled in the second quarter, which meant they lowered their quarter earnings, like estimates. Apparently, that was the panic button issue because they lowered third quarter so, “It must be terrible.” I feel like, “If you had gone to the earnings call, maybe you would have understood that.”

That’s the problem with the stock market. They’re basically trying to incentivize them to not deliver the Bikes as quickly as possible so they would land in a different fiscal quarter. That’s dumb and short-sighted. Thank you, Peloton, for not doing something dumb.

This article covers that. They covered how it’s going to make this year compared to last year. It’s going to be tough because if you’re looking at Q3 compared to Q3, that’s not going to be apples to apples anymore. All of that was addressed in the earnings call. Their recommendation is to stay in the course because the Peloton raised the full year guidance. They reduced the third quarter, but they raised the full gear from $1.53 billion to $1.55 billion. That is a 68% year-over-year at the midpoint. That is crazy high growth. As I said in the last episode, it’s going to be between 920,000 and 930,000 subscribers. That is an increase of 81% in subscribers at the midpoint over last year 2019. Those are fantastic numbers.TCO 143 | Peloton Tread


Basically, it’s a bunch of people that want to make money right now and they’re mad about it.

That’s the way the stock market is.

They’re like, “Gut your company and give us all the cash now and then we will love you.”

They haven’t figured out that Peloton is different.

JJ had resurfaced.

Jennifer Jacobs, for those of you who are new to the community, she popped up on the internet. She was on the television show, I’m sure everybody’s heard of called The Doctors. Jennifer Jacobs was on and she was in a segment that they were talking about how to get out of a weight loss plateau. There was also one of our own Pelotoner, Sherri. I know she is a Peloton owner and I know she has worked with Jennifer Jacobs. Jennifer Jacobs had tips for her. They worked out together. They did a whole thing and Jennifer Jacobs did a great job. I think that she is hitting the media circuit hard. She is trying to make her own niche as an influencer outside of Peloton.

I think that’s smart. If you want my tips for overcoming the weight loss plateau, I would recommend the stomach flu. The Peloton Prophet has returned and has a new prediction for us.

Lots of people have been asking. I have been getting messages daily, “When is the new super studio opening?” The Prophet says in March. I don’t have an exact date. The Peloton Prophet did not give me one, but The Peloton Prophet is very confident it’s happening in March. That means for those of you keeping score, we’re going to have all new experiences during homecoming. We don’t know how big the studio is going to be or how many bikes there will be or how many treads there will be. We do know that it’s all going to be in one place. How amazing will that be?

That’s pretty cool. Do we know anything about places to wait nearby?

We don’t. It’s in Hudson Yards, which actually is huge. It’s like a giant mall thing, I think maybe you can walk around. Don’t forget, Dr. Jenn Mann might be there, Tom.

I’ll wear a disguise. I’ll wear a tracksuit. She’ll never expect to see me in athletic wear.

Your laugh will give you away. That is very exciting though. I can’t wait to see.

It’ll be cool to see what the new digs look like. Here’s your moment of awe. There was an engagement at the studio.

It happened live. Peloton social media captured it. It was all over the place. It was right after Kendall’s ride on February 8th. It was Dina M and Jeremy B from Laredo, Texas got engaged. That was sweet. I wonder if they’re going to have the wedding at Peloton.

I’m going to predict, no. Although if they do, Matty should become an officiant.

That would be amazing.

You want to get remarried just so we could do that?

I do. I wonder if Matty would do that.

The Comeback program is officially a year old.

They have guests, but do you know how many people that they have provided comeback bikes for? One year, 400 bikes. It’s amazing. For anybody out there who say Peloton doesn’t do nice things, suck it. I disagree with those people. That is a lot of bikes. I can’t do math. Is it like five a week? That’s a whole bunch. A YouTube video was created by Peloton and it’s amazing. I feel like you need to cry if you watch this but in a good way, like in a heartwarming beautiful way. If you didn’t cry Tom, you have a heart of stone.

I do have a heart of stone though.

This is a beautiful video. They did such a good job on it.

My heart only is malleable for you and I guess the kids and stuff. They’re okay. Matty and Anna made a trip to Cleveland. There are not a lot of cities people in St Louis can make fun of. I feel like Cleveland is one of them. Look at all the cool bands they won’t let in.

That’s true. That is a really good point.

Take that Cleveland listeners.

They also had a wonderful visit from Matty Maggiacomo and Anna Greenberg. They were there for a meet and greet on February 12th. You could get all of your gear personalized if you brought it in. I’m super jelly because we didn’t have that here.

They had a little machine that would stitch your name on it?


That’s spiffy. You could probably find a store that would do that.

I know, but there’s something about having it done officially. I like the official stuff. There’s a ton of illegal Etsy stores out there that I can buy Peloton knock-on stuff, but I would like to buy the real Peloton stuff.

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I bought a cool Clip Out Crystal shirt. It’s just not the same.

They take the logo and use it in these illegal Etsy stores. It’s pretty egregious. The ones on Instagram are really bad though.

It’s like those Facebook t-shirts that lists 100 adjectives, “I’m a soccer drive mom who loves starfruit and once went to Australia and also now I have a t-shirt.” What is happening? It’s like someone threw a bunch of refrigerator magnet poetry at a T-shirt. There’s a new artist series. They’re doing Peloton’s celebration of artists I’ve met. The last time it was The Spinners. This time it’s with smokey Robinson.

The first one is with Hannah Marie Corbin. There’s going to be a ride on Thursday the 13th at 8:30 PM Eastern. Hannah is also doing a Post-Ride Stretch On Demand on Sunday. Then Matty is doing a stretch on Valentine’s Day at 8:35 AM Eastern and Denis Morton is doing a 30-minute Yoga Flow on Tuesday the 18th at 6:00 PM Eastern. It’s all good stuff. The ten-minute stretches really threw me off. They’d never done that before, so I’m curious.

Finally, there’s an instructor quote collection that’s on sale.

It’s been up, but they brought back everything and they placed it under the Sale tab. In the past, it was a new collection. When you went to the page, it was right there but this one was buried under the Sale tab. A lot of people missed it, but they brought back all of the sports bras for all the instructor quotes that were in the winter collection last year. They have all the t-shirts. Aall of the instructor stuff was back. I think we’re down to very limited selection again, but there was everything a couple of days ago.

The takeaway here though is maybe every once in a while, you have to come through those other sections.

You should keep an eye out on that sale one because they don’t announce it all the time. When they do announce it, they announced it after it’s been up for a while. For those people that constantly keep an eye on the boutique, they get the dibs and then they tell everybody on Facebook and it’s gone. I’m one of those people, so that would be me. Sorry.

Joining us is Nicole O’Mara. Nicole, how is it going?

I’m good. How are you?

We’re excited this is happening.

Me too, I’m very excited. I’ve been thinking about it since you emailed me.

Tell us how you originally found Peloton.

Peloton came into my life because my very good friend was an avid SoulCycler. She was preparing for her wedding and she was spending so much money on taking these SoulCycle classes that her husband had said, “You have to stop doing this.” She did some research and found out that there was this bike that came out that you can purchase and take these classes from home. Me not being athletic or doing any physical activity, I made fun of her and said, “This is ridiculous. You’re going to ride a bike in your apartment.” She said, “Yes.” I realized I hadn’t purchased my husband a birthday present yet. I said, “This is the time. I’m going to do this.” I bought it and they called me later that day and said it’s coming in a week, which was perfect because it arrived on his birthday. I was thinking, “He uses Spin many years ago, this will be pretty good.” During that time, I was doing a lot of research about it. I said, “I want to get into shape. I want to lose some weight. This is something that I want.” Even though it was a present for him, I still say it’s my bike.

How does he feel about that?

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When we would argue over whose turn it was to take a class, he’d say, “This is my present.” I’d say, “I bought it.” I would always win. It was a battle in the beginning.

You said you weren’t working out before this. You work out all the time, so I didn’t realize that.

I lived in the city for several years. While I was there, I had a personal trainer because even though I belong to a gym, I couldn’t trust myself to go. If I did go, I wouldn’t know what to do. Someone wasn’t forcing me to do something. I got a trainer. When I moved out of the city, I was here for a few years and did absolutely nothing. To get a bike and to all of a sudden start working out with something that was completely new to us. It was a great addition for us.

Who has more rides?

I do. He did celebrate his 250th. We went into Studio Four and it was great.

I can’t remember what number on. I was like, “I know it’s a lot more than 250.”

It would have been a lot more, but I had bought the tread years ago. That’s what had happened.

What do you think your fitness level is now compared to then?

It was a zero then. I work in the city so walking up subway stairs. I used to not be able to do that without huffing and puffing. I’m able to do that. I did the Peloton 5K. I remember Alex had a 90-minute ride. I must have taken that class twenty times. Being able to have a cardio level that I could do at all is something that’s mind-boggling to me that I have the ability to do pretty much anything after not doing anything for a long time.

You got the tread, how did you end up forming the You Get To Crew? How did that happen?

Having the bike, I immediately fell in love with Alex. I loved his positive vibes. I love hip hop music. It was an instructor that I immediately had a connection with besides him being easy on the eyes. The thing was important to me, wanting to take a class because you love the music and liking the person and their vibe. When I had gotten the tread, my friend Gina had said to me, “If you like Alex, you’re going to love this girl, Jess.” I got the tread and I saw that she had a twenty-minute ‘90s hip hop class. I said, “If there’s nothing else in the world, I love more than ‘90s hip-hop.” I took it.

Song after song was as if it was being taken off of my playlists. The songs that my friends say, “I can’t believe you still listen to this music,” I was like, “This is great.” Her vibe is so positive and great that I fell in love with her immediately. Her tagline, “You don’t have to, you get to.” It’s a privilege to be able to move our bodies like this. It’s something that hit home for me a lot because I didn’t know physical activity for such a long time. I also was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis many years ago. Being a young woman living with MS and I couldn’t find anything that I wanted to do to improve myself physically, it was something that was hard to wrap my head around.

When she said, “You don’t have to do this. You get to do this,” it took my breath away because riding the bike, I would do it because there are many people out there that are physically unable to do that. It’s something that I would always think of whenever I would step into any class. As soon as she said that, I was like, “This is amazing.” I was at the bike studio with the Feel Good Family. We were taking one of Alex’s Club Bangers classes and she walked past me. I stopped her and I said, “You’re Jess Sims.” She said, “Yes.”

At first, I thought that she was shocked that she had been recognized. Little did I know that Gina had done the same thing two seconds before in the lobby. She was coming off of her fangirling and she turns a corner and I’m like, “I need to come into a studio. I want to take a class with you.” She said, “Anytime you want.” I spoke to a couple of my other girlfriends that were liking her. I said, “We should do this.” Every week I would go in and I would see her. I said, “We started this tribe and we’re at 100 members. We’re at 200 members.” She was flattered and blown away because at that time, she was the newish tread instructor. We hit 1,300 members and it happened in less than a year.

It is crazy particularly since she arrived at either the tail end or after all the rest of the instructors had left the group. It is fascinating that it’s grown as much as it has, considering that she’s not even in the group. You do a great job of allowing Jess to have a voice in the group through you. That’s awesome that you do that.

TCO 143 | Peloton TreadShe wants to play as much of a role as she can. The instructors are very limited in what they can do with their tribes, but if something great is going on like I’ll ask her advice on something. We do a lot of challenges. I’ll say, “We’re doing a monthly challenge. How do you think we should balance this?” I’m not a fitness instructor. I don’t know what I’m doing. I want everyone to be able to do what they’re physically able to do and to do it safely. She’ll say, “Be careful. Don’t work out too much. A rest day is important.” She’ll give the advice to us, which is great. She’ll interact with us as much as she can. The tread instructors are lucky because the classes are small. If you’ve ever taken a class with her live, there’s a five-minute window between when the camera starts and when it goes live for a replay. During those five minutes, she’ll ask everybody in the studio their name, where they’re from and something funny like, “What’s your favorite food?” She cares that she wants to know about everybody. It’s wonderful to have an instructor that cares about that stuff.

Since you have a tread too, where do you gravitate there?

My bike has collected a lot of dust since I’ve gotten the tread. I feel very accomplished on the treadmill because I’d never run before. My friends have run marathons and I say, “You are out of your mind.” The fact that I can even keep up any pace, I amaze myself. I feel very accomplished on the tread. I liked the bootcamps. I like being able to take the class and go on the floor and do weights and stuff. I feel proud after taking a biking class, but the tread for some reason all of a sudden, I feel like, “I could be a runner even though I may run slower.” I think that I’m moving in the direction of being a runner.

I never realized it because it’s about exercise, so I never thought about it. How many people are intimidated by running versus biking?

When you’re running, you’re propelling yourself, your entire body. Whereas biking, you’re using your legs to propel yourself on wheels. It’s a lot harder to run than it is to bike. That’s why it’s so intimidating. When you don’t have the fastest speeds like myself, you can see an improvement as well as you go through time. I was never super-fast on the bike either. I don’t know because there are so many people that own the bike, there are a lot of people that are at the bottom of the leaderboard with me. On the tread, that’s not necessarily true.

Who was the tread a present for?

A few years ago, at HRI and the buzz was the tread because they had announced it and everyone was talking about it. My husband, his name is Lucas, he said, “This tread seems interesting,” because they were talking about the bootcamps and stuff like that. I went and saw the other room and I reserved one. Funny enough, it came the week before Christmas, so there you go. It was his Christmas present. They wheeled it in. He was like, “What is that?” I’m like, “Merry Christmas.” He’s like, “What?” The same arguments happened. I thought it was my birthday present, I should be able to ride it. That’s my Christmas present. I should be able to run. I’m like, “Take it easy over there.” I live my life with it’s easier to ask for forgiveness than it is to ask for permission.

I was picturing the conversation when he was like, “That sounds interesting,” and you’re like, “If you insist.” He was like, “I didn’t insist.”

Do you consider Jess your favorite instructor on the tread, but Alex is still your favorite bike instructor? How do you manage that?

Alex is my person on the bike. I have nothing against any of the other instructors, but as you know, you vibe with one person more. Jess is definitely my person on the tread. I love her techniques. She’s funny, quirky and she says things sometimes, I’m like, “What?” With the whole You Get To Crew, we laugh at it. It’s not that we mock her because that’s not what we’re doing. Can you believe that Jess says that she can’t stand the word bulb? I’m at home and I’m like, “What did she say?” You have a whole conversation about it and it’s hysterical. We’ll change our pitchers to things that she doesn’t like, hashtag in different locations to stick it to her. She interacts well and she’s very quirky. I liked the way that she teaches classes. I feel like I’m able to follow her well and she’s a nice person.

I like her listening games. I liked how playful she is with the other instructors. When she went on the trip with Becs and she had all those funny things, those were the best Instagram stories ever until Matty scared the crap out of her. Tom, I don’t know if you’ve seen it, but I’m sure you’ve seen it. Matty is going to do her class for her and so she did an age progression filter on Matty for the class and he’s an old man in the picture. She said, “Grandpa Matty.”

The banter back and forth is great. It’s very playful, but they’re also supportive of each other.

Do you think that the community for the tread is different than the community for the bike?

The community for the tread is how the community for the bike was when the bike first started. I’ve had the bike for several years. I remember taking classes and there were 400, 500 people in the class. Even when I started to take the tread classes, there were 40 people in the class. There were 400 people in it the class when Jess did it. Matty’s Gaga run, there are a lot of people in it, but it’s great to have been in the beginning because when you see the same 40 names on the leaderboard, you get to know them a little bit better. It’s the same thing when I was on the bike. You would see the same people in your classes and you meet them in person and you get to make that connection.

I feel that everyone that got the tread that it’s being had is very similar to how the bike was when the bike first started. Everyone is very tight-knit. I want that to continue in the You Get To Crew because everybody there was inspiring. They amaze me with their accomplishments. It’s nothing against people who ride the bike because they’re amazing too. When someone tells you they ran a marathon, you can’t help but be in awe of those people. We started doing this thing in which we feature somebody every single day. I asked people who want to participate to send me their leaderboard name, something about themselves, what you do for a living, your favorite memory of Jess and why you consider yourself to be a badass.

The things that people say that they have accomplished, we’re talking cancer survivors, people that are living with cancer, parents of twins, people that have one child, people who have special needs kids. Someone who tore both of their ACLs and then played basketball in college. Someone who got hit by a car and ran a marathon. A woman who plays first out of all women in this di-tri competition. These people are amazing. I’m in awe of them. I’m lucky to be with them. There was a woman that we featured and she said that Peloton allowed her to step back into her power.

That made me warm and fuzzy because that’s exactly what we’re doing every single time. We’re getting on the bike or stepping onto this tread. We’re taking the power back. We’re taking time for ourselves. Everyone could be doing a million other things every single time but they choose to get on one of those pieces of equipment. I feel that us showing up for each other, we’re showing up for the instructors also. To have a leaderboard go from 40 people to 400, how great does that make you feel? How great does that make the instructors feel? I feel like that because it’s starting up, that community is tight. It’s an amazing thing to be a part of because everyone was amazing.

Part of that comes from the leadership within each group because every group has their own vibe. I appreciate how you have such a positive personality and you’re always cheering people on and saying great things to people. I know lots of other people appreciate that too. You have a lot to do with that community doing well.

Thank you. I appreciate them.

Do you have that in your job place?

No, definitely not. I’m a private banker in Manhattan. I’m positive for my clients but no. When I was first diagnosed with MS, I had this calm that came over me and I said to myself, “I’m going to be living with this for the rest of my life. I need to be strong. I need to be mentally there.” As I was coming to terms with it myself, I realized that my family around me was having a harder time than I was having. Coming to terms with this is something that’s happening to me. I tried to be extra strong for them. I realized that that’s something that I’ve carried with me. The number of times I said, “I’m fine,” when I wasn’t, but I had to be fine for them because they were falling apart in the inside.

I have that positivity in me. I want everything to be fine because it has to be. In the group when it’s like, “I wanted to get three miles in my 30-minute class,” it’s like, “You got 2.98. You’ll get it next time. Everything’s fine. We’re all doing a great job. We’re all showing up. We’re all here for each other.” If I’m taking a class that’s on-demand and one of my friends had gotten a milestone and called out, “Congratulations on your 200th run.” I cheer as if I’m standing right next to them screaming behind them to keep going. It’s a crazy thing that you have this connection to people virtually. It’s an amazing thing. To answer your question, no, I do not have that in my career in the least. I feel like it’s something that I had grown into, for sure.

This question is non-Peloton related, but I’m curious what exactly does a private banker do?

I have a very wide range of clients, mostly based in Manhattan. Anything that you need as a business owner, I do for you and I make your life a lot easier than it needs to be. You call me when you need a transaction to be done, you need to order checks, you need that. It’s a lot of schmoozing. I’m interacting with people all day, so maybe that does help me with my interactions with people. I talk to everybody and make their lives a lot easier.

Are you an employee of the bank and they assign you to certain people or do people say, “I need a private banker,” and they hire you one-on-one? How does that work?

I’m an employee of the bank and I bring in my own clients. If you’re looking for a banker to bank The Clip Out, give me a call.

It’d be a lot of like, “Can you make sure our overdraft protection is working?” You worked for the bank, but you go and find the clients. How do you find people that need private banks? That seems like such a niche.

It’s going on meeting people. It’s very interesting because if you talk to a business owner and you say, “Who do you bank with?” They name one of the megabanks, and it’s like, “How is that working out for you?” They say, “They don’t care about me. I’m a client to them.” I’ll say, “If you ever want personal care, let me know and we can set something up.” It’s amazing how much people don’t know that they need a private banker until they have one. It’s a very interesting job. I love my job. I’ve been at the bank for several years.

Were you always in banking or did you fall into that?

I was always in banking professionally. I went to college for criminal justice and forensic science and I stepped into banking. I knew that I will work at a bank and they got me in and I switched to the bank that I’m at. When I first started, I worked in the compliance department and the anti-money laundering area. I switched over to a sales position. I switched over to the private banking position.

TCO 143 | Peloton TreadHow often do you get in the studio?

It’s as much as I can. Jess’s schedule changed. She used to teach 5:30 on Thursdays and I would go every Thursday. I try and go in every Saturday that I can. It’s great because I’m very fortunate. I live 40 minutes outside of the city. I work in Manhattan so I can leave work, take a class and go home. On the weekends and stuff, especially people that want to come in, it’s amazing. The You Get To Crew, they fly from everywhere to come in for these classes. I feel very responsible that when they’re coming in, I try and organize things, whether it’s a group class. I was emailing with the studio.

I have three group classes booked. We have people coming in. I have a group of friends that I met through the tread. It was like you had to take a certain number of classes every week. I was placed on a team with these five amazing people and I clicked with them immediately. I talked to these women every single day. We are on Messenger all day. They’re all coming in. I took off of work and we are doing all things Peloton. I feel like they’re my best friends. It’s like I’ve known them forever. We’re taking Jess’s class and they can’t wait to meet her. The majority of them had never even been in the studio before. They’re flying in from all over. We have someone coming in from Utah. We have somebody coming in from here and from there, so I use it as an excuse. I say to my husband, “I have to go, my people are coming in. I have to organize everything.” It’s great to meet people face to face. As much as I can, I’ll be in the studio.

What is your leaderboard name?

My leaderboard name is CocoLoco6. Obviously, my name is Nicole. When I was born, my older sister couldn’t say Nicole so she called me Coco. My entire family calls me Coco. It’s very rare that anyone ever calls me Nicole. The Loco comes in because I’m a little crazy and the number six because my birthday is on the sixth. It’s been a name that I’ve had my entire life.

Do you find that being a little crazy is something people look for in a private banker?

What’s interesting about it is that I remember when my sister had come to the city one day because she lives in Ohio. She came to the city and she said, “I want to see where you work. I need to see you in a professional setting.” I said, “Sure.” She comes in and everyone’s like, “Nicole’s sister is here. We have to meet her.” She said to my boss, “Is Nicole different in work than she is outside of work?” My boss is a young guy. He’s a couple of years older than me. He said, “No, she’s the exact same person.” My sister said, “That’s petrifying.” I can’t be anything other than like how I normally am. People love it.

It sounds like it’s a career based on relationships. If you have a little personality, you have no relationships.

When I joined my boss’s team, he said, “When it comes down to it, it doesn’t matter what you know because you don’t know what I can teach you, but people like you and that’s what we need.” I said, “Me, sure, whatever.”

Are you from the New York area or the Ohio area?

I’m from the New York area. I grew up on Long Island. I went to school in Pennsylvania and when I graduated, I moved right into the city when I had first started working.

Your sister grew up in New York and moved to Ohio, she’s doing it backward.

She’s a professor at the University of Dayton. After all of her many years of schooling, that’s where she settled.

Do you have any advice for people starting out with the bike or the tread?

I would suggest taking classes with every single instructor. Once you find your people, connect with their tribe. I don’t think that I would have enjoyed the biking community of Peloton as much as I do if I hadn’t met the Feel Good Family. The same thing with the You Get To Crew. If I didn’t have them, I don’t think that I would enjoy it as much because I feel you get good friendships with that. Set a schedule for yourself so you know that every single day you’re going to take this class at this time. You’re depending on yourself to show up every single day. If you set a schedule, find your people and everything will fall into place.

How can people find you on social media?

You Get To Crew on Facebook and @YouGet2Crew on Instagram.

Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy private banking day.

Thank you.

That wraps up another episode. What do you have in store for people in the next episode?

I am excited because Tunde is on the next episode. I got to introduce her because Tom wasn’t here at the beginning.

That’s a story we will tell in the next episode. I was running late for no fault of my own as you can tell because we are still married.

That is true.

That is what people will have to look forward to.

Tunde tells a lot of stories. You do not want to miss it.

Until then, where can people find you?

People can find me at They can find me on Instagram, Twitter or on the Bike and at the Tread at @ClipOutCrystal.

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137: New Power Zone Instructors Are On The Way Plus Our Interview with Irene Bassock

TCO 137 | Peloton Bike


It’s no wonder that biking is a very good form of exercise. For those who are wary about biking outdoors, the Peloton Bike is a step-up of the good old indoor bike. For the uninitiated, the Peloton Bike is a high-end indoor bicycle equipped with a Wi-Fi–enabled, 22-inch touchscreen tablet that streams live and on-demand classes which allows the user to compete with other members. 50-year-old attorney, Irene Bassock, joins Crystal O’Keefe and Tom O’Keefe in this episode to talk about her Peloton Bike experience and why she’s loving it.

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The Peloton Bike Experience With Irene Bassock

Joining us is Irene Bassock. Irene, how’s it going?

It’s going well. It’s a little surreal being interviewed.

Think of it as us hanging out, getting to know you.

If it makes you feel any better based on past one of these where we’ve done, that novelty wears off quick. By the end, you’ll be like, “Are we done? I’ve got things to do.”

Thanks for inviting me.

Thank you for taking the time to do this and humoring us with telling us all about your Peloton experience. If you’ve ever had the opportunity to read the blog, you probably know that the first question I always ask is how did you find Peloton?

That’s an easy one. I do want to say I’ve read every single episode of the show. How did I hear about Peloton? My sister, Jane, used the Peloton app when it first came out and it was free. She knew I took spinning classes and was raving about these workouts. She talked about it all the time. I was on a business trip. I had to go to Chicago in November of 2015. While I was staying at the Weston, I went down early to do a workout before the conference started. There was a Peloton sitting right there. I had arrived at the gym right when it opened.

It was early and no one was there and the Peloton was sitting there. I went, “Go check it out.” I took a ride with Nicole. It was weird. The bike sucked me in. I remember 45 minutes later looking up at myself in the mirror across from the gym. The gym was full of people at this point and I was a mess, sweaty. I cannot believe that I looked like that in public. I barely got off the bike without falling. I was like, “That’s it. I have to buy one of these.” Literally, it was on my way back home at the airport. I ordered one and it came 2 or 3 days later. It was a done deal.

You were all-in instantly. Was that a live ride that you took with Nicole?

No, I think it was on-demand, but it was interesting because I didn’t even think about live versus on-demand. In fact, when I got off the bike, the gym manager came over to ask me how I liked the ride, which was obvious. He said that the bike had arrived in their gym a few days before. I was one of the first people that used it. I would love to figure out what that ride was that I took, but I’m sure it’s been purged by now. It was great.

If you wanted to know, you could scroll all the way down on your profile.

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I didn’t even sign it. I signed in the gym. I don’t think I even had a profile. It was strange because I didn’t even tell my husband I bought it. I tucked it on another credit card that I have. I’m sure he knows about it, but he doesn’t know about it. I justified it. I canceled my gym membership. I didn’t even realize I had this before, but my company’s health plan had a program where if you sign up for gym membership, they will pay you X number of dollars every quarter. I justified that that money would be used to pay for the Peloton. My company accepted the Peloton monthly financing and they applied that health reimbursement amount to the financed amount, which I was surprised that they did.

Since you had a gym membership, were you already working out regularly? Were you an occasional gym-goer or were you like many of us where you have a gym membership and never use it?

What I most regularly did at that point was I did a lot of long-distance running. I was using the gym for the spin classes. I’d go maybe once a week. It was a family gym membership and I was the only person in the family using it. I saved some money by canceling it. I was definitely getting a better workout on the Peloton. Eventually, I did give up running. I found that as I was getting older, too many aches and pains and even though I still consider myself a runner, I don’t run at all anymore. Kudos to you, Crystal, for taking up running. I did the opposite.

As Tom always says, all of my joints were in new condition. It’s the benefit of starting late to the game.

I missed running so much and I miss the races. I miss running outdoors with friends and that was the hardest thing was giving up the running, but I have never felt better.

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If it makes you feel any better, Irene, I go so slowly. You still wouldn’t be able to do any of those things. It’s like walking with a little bit of a fast forward. That’s my speed. It’s still running.

I love that my sister convinced me to try Peloton took her another year from when I purchased my Peloton for her to purchase her Peloton. That’s been fun because she lives in Denver. I’m here in Connecticut and we try to ride with each other. We sometimes use the video chat function to look at ourselves while we’re sweating away. She’s like the only person I would be brave enough to use that with.

It’s a little awkward. I’m not going to lie because you can only hear one side or the other. It’s mostly gesticulation. It’s basically doing hand gestures at each other anytime. I’ve used it anyway and it’s not pretty.

I wonder if they’re going to keep that functionality. I wonder how many people use it. With my sister, it is a silly thing to do. It’s easier to get on our phones and talk to each other or video chat that way. I’m wondering if that will ever be disabled. I’m sure a lot of people have that camera taped over on their bikes.

I am sure that there are and I don’t know. A lot of people don’t talk about it and I know about every new person says, “What’s that for? Why is there a camera?” That’s a good question.

I did get a few visits from the Cheer Fairy early on. It’s been a while, but those were definitely memorable moments.

TCO 137 | Peloton Bike


Getting a visit from the Cheer Fairy is memorable. I totally know what you mean. For anybody out there who doesn’t know, we have a whole episode where we interviewed the Cheer Fairy, but she will literally video chat with you and cheer you on. If it’s a special milestone ride and there are signs and there’s usually some neon lights involved, it’s fun and festive. You cannot miss it if it happens.

Except for the phone call, take the video chat.

You have to talk to the Cheer Fairy at least once. Speaking of the Cheer Fairy, how involved in the community do you feel you are?

I’m pretty involved. I’ve always done live rides and followed other people, but it took a while for me to get engaged in the community. I certainly followed the OPP early on before the numbers got out of control. It was a different community at that point. Things changed for me. I have to owe it to you, guys. I was listening to one of your episodes and you had interviewed someone in a tribe now that I’m a co-administrator of. Because of the interview that you did, I decided to join and got to know a lot of people. I liked the racing and the pacing that they were doing. The whole tribe was dedicated to ‘80s music and I’m an ‘80s kid. I joined and met the most wonderful people. In fact, shortly after I joined, I went to an HRI that was last minute, but it was one of those HRIs where everyone said, “This works. Let’s go to New York.”

A whole group of us went down to New York in October of 2017 and met each other for the first time in person. It was funny. Everyone had the same introduction, “I can’t believe I’m doing this. We’re not like this. This is not what I normally do.” Everyone had the preface why they were there and how they weren’t some weirdo on the internet. We found that we had so much in common beyond the bike. Everyone had Type-A personalities. Everyone loves the structure, worked hard, and played hard. It’s a great group of people. From there, I’ve joined a few other tribes and pretty much stayed committed to those tribes along the way. In addition to the first one, which was Fast Times. I’m an active member of the Mileage Maniacs and in the last year or so, I joined the Pelo Law Moms tribe.

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I have to laugh about the Fast Times because that’s the group that we got kicked out of or I got kicked out of. Tom was never in it. I’m not going to go down that road. It made me laugh that you said that. I’m glad that you met many great people there though and throughout all of the different tribes. For Mileage Maniacs, we interviewed Peter Gaan. The last group that you said, Pelo Law Moms, I’m curious about that group. How many people are in that group?

I’d have to check. It’s one of the smaller groups though.

I understand it’s small, but I also understand it is quite active.

I’ve got a son who’s in high school and a daughter in college. When I joined, I felt like a lot of the vibe was about trying to balance a law practice with having younger kids. I went through that. I get it. I’m done. My kids are older so I don’t have the same day-to-day struggles, but I’m almost like the grandmom in the group, “It’ll be fine. You’ll look back fondly on these days. Everything will work out. Don’t stop working. You’ll be fine. The kids will be fine.”

By the way, you have one of the most photogenic families I have ever seen. You guys always look like you should be gracing in the front of a magazine cover, all of you. It’s crazy.

My kids take 100 photos and then they select one. Come on. It’s working for you. It gets passed around and they delete. We could always Photoshop those if their eyes are closed.

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Circling back on the Cheer Fairy, it’s Episode 10 and that was Lisa Carlson. We also in that episode discuss a pending IPO.

Lisa Carlson, right after I went to New York City for the first HRI back in 2017, I convinced my sister to fly in for it too because I didn’t want to go alone. She flew into New York. It turned into one of those funny weekends and I could not have done without my sister. This is going to make me sound crazy because so much happened in one weekend. Lisa Carlson had organized a Sunday afternoon Connecticut-based Peloton meetup in New Haven. She got us on one of those group bikes where you peddle and you drink. I saw my sister who had flown into New York. I said, “Before you go back, we have one more thing we need to do. We need to peddle this group bike around New Haven and drink a lot on a Sunday night and then you’re free to go.” That’s what happened to it was between the drinking and going bar to bar on a Sunday night in New Haven. I remember us having Peloton signs and going through the campus of Yale and being obnoxious. These poor kids are touring the campus with their families. It was horrible. It’s a little bike trip. That was a memorable afternoon.

I can’t believe you did that at the end of your first HRI visit because that weekend, I don’t know about you, but I was exhausted.

It’s tiring. My husband drove down to New Haven to pick us up. He was horrified. He was like, “What is Peloton drink?” He was a little jealous and a little freaked out that he’d find me in the back of a trunk somewhere, “Who are these virtual people? What have they done to my wife?” He’s a little apprehensive about some of these relationships, but he’s come to embrace it over the last few years.

Every time you meet your fake friends, it’s a little weird. You don’t know, but you meet them and it’s like you’ve always known them. It’s crazy.

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Crystal and I met online. There was no exercise involved.

When I was dating, I would text people and be like, “This is who I’m going out on a date with. This is where we’re going. If I should get murdered, at least you’ll know who to blame.”

Going back to the Pelo Law Moms, it’s an active group. I personally found a lot of comfort there beyond the kids and all those issues when I decided to leave my job in the last few months. I had been working at one company in-house for several years. When I decided to leave before even talking to some of my friends, I went to that group and solicited feedback from other attorneys who went from in-house to opening up their own law firms. It was amazing to hear all the different stories from these strong women who made some difficult choices and learn about the good and the bad. That group was supportive. In fact, I did strengthen a number of my personal relationships with a few members of the group. One member in particular, we’ve partnered and affiliated and I’m picking up and performing work for her law firm in New York and that has been great. She’s been a fantastic mentor to me. I wonder if I could have done it as well as I’m doing it if it weren’t for her, her support, feedback and cheerleading in my corner.

I’ll tell you, the whole Peloton and the binds that it makes for people, the connections it makes are incredible. I never can get over it how it happens.

I’m also connected to Robert Brinker‘s group, the Dragon family. He is such a positive person and has embraced both me and my sister. In fact, he’s in Aspen and my sister’s in Denver, so they speak regularly. They’ve developed a nice, strong relationship. I look at him as being a friend to a great guy and knows how to bring people together. Another cheerleader that’s always there to give you that support that you needed when sometimes you don’t know you even need it.

He is a cool person. I’m impressed by the art that he does, his outlook on life and the joy that he spreads. We’re going to be interviewing him. It is wonderful. I’m definitely looking forward to that. Tell us which instructor you ride with the most and why?

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I’m an instructor agnostic. I like riding live, so I’ll take live rides based upon what fits in my schedule. I found myself on an EDM ride and who was the instructor? It was Cody and I’m riding and I’m looking at my output and I’m like, “What the hell?” This is not my music genre. I don’t usually ride with Cody, but what a ride. I always surprise myself. I’ll jump on anything. I always find that the rides are great. I hear new music that I never thought I would appreciate. The advice I’d give to anyone is don’t pigeonhole yourself, experience everything.

I wholeheartedly agree with that especially when you’re first starting out, you don’t know what you like or what you don’t like. You might think a certain thing by judging a book by its cover, but you hop on a ride and you might have a completely different experience than what you expect.

Nobody is disappointed in me. I heard her say, “I’ll jump on anything, but I let it slide.” She could sue me. I still want people to think like, “Is he okay? How did he not have something to say there?”

If you could have seen the face he made, Irene. I thought we were going to slide right past it but no, he went back.

I’ve got a rep to protect. I don’t want people to think I’m slipping now that I’m pushing 50.

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You mentioned you used to be a runner, you don’t run anymore, but do you use any of the other Peloton content like the yoga or the strength exercises, anything like that?

On a regular basis, I use the meditation and that came out of a challenge I did with the Maniacs. It was right when they started rolling out a lot of their digital content. As the challenge proceeded, the teams that we were assigned to had to do yoga, walking, all these floor workouts. I became acquainted with the digital offerings, which I didn’t end up using other than the meditation. What I do for a full-body workout is I do a bar. The workouts would be too much for me. The bar is a nice combination with the spinning, but the meditation is something that I try to do on a daily basis.

I was sitting here watching his face and it was totally dead serious. I didn’t even see that one coming.

You’re a lawyer and you’ve already talked about getting drunk. I could’ve gone 1 of 2 ways with that. I went with a professional way because your husband is already upset.

Do you know what they say about lawyers? We’re heavy drinkers. The stress of the job gets to you and you end up drinking too much. We have a bad rep when it comes to drinking. If my reputation is that I go to the bar, I’d rather have it be the workout bar than the drinking bar, but I’d probably do both too much.

I don’t see why it’s stressful. It’s the clients that go to jail.

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What law do you do if we may ask?

We do employment law. For many years, I did the defense side. I represented companies and work for the man. When I left my job at the company and opened up my own law firm, I switched sides and now I represent employees.

When you represent employees, what is stressful about that from your perspective? From the person who’s going through the lawsuit, I get what’s stressful for them. Because you have all these deadlines you have to meet, is that the pressure of you want to win for them? Is it all of the above or is it something I would never even think of?

It’s not the deadlines. I’m a person who feels deeply and now that I’m working with individuals, I’m seeing how bad the situation is for them, I feel horrible. It’s like being a friend and seeing someone in the worst moments of their life and knowing that you can help them but hoping that you can also help them. I know I have all the expertise to do it, but you don’t have everything within your control. If someone won’t settle or agree to do X, Y and Z, I want to do more. What is stressful is not being able to help them to the degree that they need the help. Even when you do your job and you do it perfectly, it’s still a crappy situation to be in. No one feels happy.

You probably never feel like you made everything better. You want to make everything better, but you can’t tie a bow on it and call it a day.

Unless someone is looking for vengeance, that sometimes helps.

I feel like even then, with my own dealings with the legal system, divorce-related, I get arrested. I feel like there aren’t many times when one’s side walks out and crushed it. Both sides walk out going like, “Yeah but no.”

You get part of things that you want and you don’t get others and so you’re happy on one hand and frustrated on another. I would assume with the law you’re doing, you’re ending up in some similar situations.

They call it employment law as corporate divorce law. For the years that I represented corporations, I didn’t have to internalize a lot of the things that were going on. I was acting for the corporation and it didn’t get as personal. I’m still working through some of these emotions, but now with individuals sitting down in front of me, my heart goes out to them. I want to be their champion and make things right. I’m sure that as the days and the weeks and the months and the years pass by, I become more seasoned representing individuals that may change for me. It’s hard to let these feelings go. That’s where the stress comes from.

Plus, if a corporation gets dinged, it’s like your company, you’ll be fine.

It’s a different thought process than a person going through something like that. That makes you a good attorney though. At least from where I would be sitting, if I were having somebody represent me, I would want somebody that cares like that. I totally mean that. You’re taking it personally. You’re fighting in their corner in a way that a lot of people don’t have somebody fighting in their corner, whether it’s for work or medical or whatever. It’s hard to find somebody who will get in there and fight for you. At the same time, be careful. Don’t burn yourself out because I can see that happening too.

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I work hard and I play hard.

We’ll find you at the bar cycle again. That’s awesome.

How often do you get to the studio?

For an HRI, I probably get once or twice a year. Fast Times had a joint one with Mileage Maniacs. The days are flying by. That was fantastic. Also, when I get into New York for business, I’ll always try to get in a little bit earlier so I could take a ride in the studio. It’s always fun. You end up bumping into people you know. I take whatever live ride is there. Sometimes I’m riding with instructors that I don’t ordinarily ride with. It’s a great level of energy in the studio. It’s wonderful. They’re great to home riders in the New York studio.

I feel like I want to binge on rides when I’m there. I want to do as many as I possibly physically can do while we’re there. At least that first day because probably everything will happen the second and third days. I’m like, “I don’t know how much time I’m going to have to do it.” That first day I’m like, “4 or 5 rides, let’s do it.”

Same here and you’re tired. Even though I don’t feel like I’m working out as hard, my outright is a little bit lower. I have a fan at home. There’s no fan there. You end up getting sweaty and gross. You’re going back to back rides. You’re meeting people in between the rides. It’s much energy, but it’s exhausting. I always burned myself out. I need a whole day afterward to sleep and rest up because it is taxing.

I wish we lived closer. I know I say that all the time, but I do. It would be amazing. Does anybody else in your family use the bike?

My son and my daughter both have accounts. My son has two rides. My daughter, since 2015, I don’t know, maybe twenty rides. The answer is no. I find my daughter occasionally on, but they’re a little freaked out by me and they don’t want to touch it. I gave him the stink-eye.

I started a new job. I had a hard epiphany at how much I talk about the bike. I know it because we’re on the show. I know I talk about the bike, but I had worked at the other place like my evolution of Peloton. Even as it ramped up, they adjusted accordingly. These poor people are like, “What happened?” I come in. I’m wearing the Peloton jacket. I’ve got a Peloton bag and let me sell you Peloton.

She’s like, “Do you have a personal relationship with Peloton? Have you heard the good news?

I’m a little out of control. I didn’t know it was that bad. They ride. There are two people there that one of them has a bike and one of them doesn’t have a bike, but they ride. I’m like, “This is what you should take based on your personality and this is what you should try. You should do this and that.”

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My husband and I took two weeks off and we did this hiking trip in the Swiss Alps with another group, strangers. We didn’t know them. We went on this tour. On the first day of the hike, I learned that one of the other hikers owned a Peloton. Immediately I was like, “Who’s your favorite?” He’s looking at me like I’m crazy. He’s not one of those riders.

It is funny that many people are rabid about it. You forget that there are some people that they ride the bike. That’s the extent of their involvement.

We were coming back from the cruise. Do you remember that guy that sat in front of us? I started talking to him because he had a Peloton shirt on. I thought, “We’ve got one.” He was like, “I don’t do any of those things.” He didn’t know anything other than the rides he takes and he was more into scenic rides. He had no enthusiasm.

My husband, some of his friends from college have Pelotons. One day he came home from work and he goes, “I want to let you know those normal people who own Pelotons aren’t like you.”

I disagree, I think you’re the normal one. These newer people who have come to Peloton later in the game haven’t gotten the bug in the same way that the people earlier on did. There are exceptions to that. There are people that are as fanatic as we are. They’re newer, but some of them don’t like social media or if they do, they’re not on it all the time and the OPP is not welcoming.

They do try the OPP and they get punched in the face and they’re like, “Other Peloton people are dicks.”

It’s a different experience for people now versus back in 2016, 2015. It’s a completely different personal experience.

I remember on my first HRI, we had a cocktail party on the Thursday night before the actual HRI. We’re at a bar and Dennis Morton shows up, “Let’s hang out.” We hung out for a while, talked about surfing. It was such a normal fun conversation. I didn’t think anything of it at the time. Now fast forward a couple of years, I can’t even imagine one of the instructors stopping over for a happy hour and hanging out for the night. It wouldn’t happen.

If it did, everybody would be texting their friends and that place would get mobbed in seconds.

I remember too when the OPP were only a couple of hundred members. Who was it that used to post like, “Who’s riding what ride?” You’d see who was riding because they’d post on the OPP. It was easier to follow certain people and they had their own little shtick or the stuff with the coffee cups, the magic pants, all these neat little things that now are lost in the thread. I also remember the fighting that started on the OPP. Do you remember when there was the splinter group, The Badasses? I remember going, “Yeah, I’m joining The Badasses.” I don’t think that even exists anymore.

Those splintered and that became the OG Badasses or something and then there are the real Badasses of Peloton. It is still out there.

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I’m not following either anymore, but there was a lot of drama early on. Nothing like what we see now.

It’s a little boring out there because it’s all like, “I have a milestone. My pedals squeak.” It’s literally the same five things over and over again. I rarely ever see anything unique as you said with the cups and stuff.

I also remember knowing the people on the page, someone who was in financial distress even.

I know exactly what you mean because when we started the show, that was my thinking. There are all these people that I see every day that I want to get to know. Now I still have that, but it’s from all the other groups, not from the OPP but that’s where it started. I would see the same people over and over again. I can’t even tell you the number of people that we’ve raised money for that needed a bike or had health issues. They’re on and on. We’ve done that. It’s different. Now if you ask for anything, they’re like, “You want money from us.” They get mad.              

That’s where the tribes have become important especially the ones that are in smaller numbers and people can find their own. For new riders, the first thing to do is get off the OPP or don’t look at it every day. You don’t have to be active. Finding a smaller group with people who have interests in common to yours is critical to feeling engaged or at least having the same feeling of engagement that we had earlier on.

What is your leaderboard name?

It’s Scream.

I haven’t seen your picture in a while, but I love that you always had your face like you were screaming.

I was screaming. We have a house up in Vermont. During the ski season, it’s a house full of people. One morning, I was driving 1 of the 3 cars to the mountains and there must have been eight adults and twenty kids. It was like herding cats and ski poles and skis and boots. I couldn’t get everyone out of the car or in the car. I can’t remember whether we were dropping off or picking up. I remember taking a selfie, screaming like, “This is insane. What are we doing here?” When I selected my leaderboard name, which Scream is an old nickname, I thought back to that picture. I’m like, “I have that picture somewhere like freaking out.” It was a legit scream.

It was appropriate. I love it.

Thank you.

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Do you have advice for newbies or like we did that so I don’t want to put you on the spot for more if you don’t have any at the ready?

My advice to newbies, especially if you’re getting into a fitness routine, is to ride consistently. You don’t have to do a heavy ride every day, but staying close to the bike and working it into your routine. I’m a big supporter of early morning rides before the day gets away from you. Trying to at least sit on the bike, pedal, moving your legs, you’ll end up going farther than you think that you would have even on a bad day. Consistency is key absolutely.

I should remember it more often get on the bike even if I don’t feel like it.

They used to say with running is that when you’re scheduled to run, run the first mile. No matter how you feel, run 1 mile and your body will take over from there but run the first mile.

They probably didn’t know that it takes me 30 minutes to run over too.

I’m still impressed that you’re running. That is fantastic.

Thank you. It’s sweet. I’m being self-deprecating because I am like a turtle.

Thank you so much for taking the time out of your busy day.

Where can people find you on social media? If somebody wants to hunt you down as an attorney, how should they go about that?

I’m on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. I’m under Irene Bassock for Instagram, Facebook and Twitter, which I don’t use, but my handle there is @I_Scream_Louder. I know I was late to Twitter, so Scream wasn’t available. For my law firm, the name of the firm is Empower Legal Group and you can find us on LinkedIn, Facebook and Instagram under Empower Legal Group. There’s a Twitter handle, which for the life of me I’ve forgotten, but it doesn’t matter. I don’t use Twitter all that much.

Thank you for joining us.

Irene, thank you for doing this. I appreciate it.

Thank you for asking. I appreciate it. Thanks.

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About Irene Bassock

TCO 137 | Peloton BikeI’ve been riding since 2015. I’m passionate about the bike and the community and all the positive things it’s done for me and others.

I love sharing stories about the personal and work relationships that this bike has brought me. Plus, my husband is suspicious of my passion for the community. He truly does. He’s so afraid that I’m part of a cult.

24: An Interview With Emma Lovewell! Which Rides Are The Most Popular? We Have The Numbers.

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Peloton rides are always top quality thanks to its carefully selected instructors. How these skilled individuals guide each rider can be credited to how the company aims at building impactful interactions. Here with Crystal and Tom O’Keefe is Emma Lovewell shining some light on what it is like as a newbie Peloton instructor. She walks us through her routine and what ups her game during sessions. Crystal and Tom also talk about a post by John Foley and the leaderboard logic. They also tackle on the battle to have the most Peloton rides as well as a huge benefit ride for Puerto Rico.

Listen to the podcast here:

An Interview With Emma Lovewell! Which Rides Are The Most Popular? We Have The Numbers.

We’re available on iTunes where you can go there and rate, review and subscribe. It helps us tremendously and we greatly appreciate it. Speaking of iTunes reviews, we have a new one. It’s from Radiohead7, “Thanks to Tom and Crystal for starting The Clip Out. I’ve been battling some injuries and unable to ride the bike like I want to, but I’ve been able to keep up with everything via your show. You have great voices, entertaining discussions and interesting topics. Most of all, you are both genuine and fun. I can’t wait to see where you take it. Keep up the great work. This is the start of something awesome.”

Thank you, Radiohead7. That was awesome.

You can find us on our Facebook page, We are on the interwebs. You can go there and interact if you miss a recipe or if we reference an article or something. It all gets posted in there. What do we have on the show?

We have so much. This one is packed with so much information. You and I are going to have a downright debate. We’re going to talk about something that John Foley posted. We’re going to talk about the leaderboard logic. We’re going to talk about some stats that we referenced in episode 23. We’re also going to talk about a battle to have the most rides on Peloton. There’s also a huge benefit ride for Puerto Rico. We’re going to talk about a group that just formed and I love it and we have an amazing interview with Emma Lovewell.

We have another instructor on the show, Emma Lovewell, the Bond girl extraordinaire. She will tell us all about her adventures with 007. I guess we should dig in.

If a fellow wanted to watch a documentary about fish, where would he go?

You would go to Facebook, apparently. John Foley posted, which I don’t see a ton of posts from him on the actual Peloton page and I thought it was cool. It has been especially bad. These people should just shush it. These people are ridiculous with their attitudes.

I bet you, sometimes John Foley, for some peace and quiet on Facebook, he probably goes over to the SoulCycle page. He’s like, “Over here, nobody cares about me or anything at all.”

People need to tone it down. It’s been a rough week. He posted a documentary about sushi of all things, but it’s not about sushi. It’s about loving what you do. He posted this great post that inspired me and I want to watch this documentary. We’re going to have to put it in the Netflix queue because it’s going to happen and that’s what it’s called, Love What You Do. It got his passion even more reignited for Peloton and he wanted to share it with all of his employees.

Part of me is like, “A documentary about sushi?”

We watched documentaries about a lot of stuff.

I do and I love a documentary about somebody that is fixated on something that sounds dumb or crazy and then they suck you right in. Some documentaries have been like that for me. There’s the King of Kong, which is about a guy obsessed with beating the high score on Donkey Kong and that is fascinating. There’s a side one called Chasing Ghosts, which is about an arcade in Ottumwa, Iowa which is also famous as the hometown of Radar on M*A*S*H. The arcade kept all the high scores for everybody there. There’s another one called The Rock-afire Explosion, which was all about the animatronic band from ShowBiz Pizza Place, which was a precursor to Chuck E. Cheese’s.

That was the first documentary I watched with you. I was like, “What is happening right now?” By the end of it, I was like, “I’m in love with The Rock-afire Explosion and you.” It’s because I love you more.

The main singer in that band is a big, fat, furry bear. I’m a short furry bear type of creature like Winnie the Pooh with the red shirt, pantless and looking for your honeypots. I’m more like Eeyore looking for my tail. Moving right along, we talked about twenty-minute rides, but we’re adding a bunch due to popular demand. You and I had a private conversation that we posted on iTunes. We were like, “How do they know? How do they calculate the negative? What is the metric, the algorithm or the magic juju that they do to determine that there aren’t enough twenty-minute rides? You had a numbers fairy reach out to you. We will not reveal anything that could indicate who this person could be. He and/or she had some interesting numbers that they have surmised.

This person contacted me and turns out they have some stats, and they said that 30-minute rides outperform longer rides by 40% to 50%. You can wrap your head around that.

That’s crazy. I would not have thought of that.

No, I would not have guessed that. Part of that argument, if you remember, it’s not you and I arguing, but the fact that people were upset about it was that they wanted to ride those longer rides also live. That was part of the concern as well. Get this, 80% of all rides taken across Peloton are on-demand. I understand that everybody’s happy with the changes and I’ve got news for you. Nobody’s ever going to always be happy with all the changes. They cannot make 150,000 people happy.

Those people are the most vocal on social media. I think the people that take the live rides are also probably your most passionate users. I don’t say that to take away from the on-demand ride. You use the bike in the way that works for you. That’s what it was designed to do.

I’m on-demand and live. I don’t get to take live nearly as much as I would like.

I think the people that are taking the on-demand rides are probably the super passionate people that are more likely to go to Facebook and voice their dissatisfaction. When I worked in radio, it was before the advent of social media, so you had the request line. That was the extent of social media. There was a saying in radio which said, “Never trust the phones. Don’t believe the phones.” I worked at an alternative rock station in the mid to late ‘90s. When I sat there and answered the request line, it was like, “Play Korn, play Manson, play Tool, play Limp Bizkit.” It was that over and over again. You would’ve thought they were the biggest bands in the world.

At the time, if they came to town, they would maybe sellout 1,000-seat room, but their fans were the most passionate. Their fans felt like their favorite band doesn’t get played on the radio enough. They were constantly barraging us with phone calls. At the same time, the biggest hits in the genre if you did the auditorium testing of what people wanted to hear, they’re going to be like the Matchbox Twenty, Marcy Playground and Goo Goo Dolls. Those were the hits. I think this is a version of that. The people that are the most upset are going to social media. The people that are the most passionate about the brand are going to social media, but most people get in their car and they wanted to hear Marcy Playground years ago. Most people just want to ride their bikes. They don’t want all this. They want to take their on-demand ride. That’s why they got the bikes, so they’re not at the mercy of a live class.

That’s 80%. It’s huge. It’s much higher than I would’ve thought. There’s a couple of other statistics that I was given to by this person. The total number of rides taken between July and August has increased by 30%.

This did not come from inside Peloton. It was all obtained legally. We didn’t hack their system. Nothing like that is going on. Nothing nefarious took place for us to have this data. Nobody breached an NDA. Nobody didn’t take their job seriously. None of that is going on. That’s why we’re being coy about this person.

I would not want this person to get inundated with questions. What’s also fascinating is regardless of instructor and theme, shorter rides are always the top rides. Here’s the debate that we’re going to get into. First of all, I have to congratulate Laura Pugerude. She hit her 3,000 rides. She was so excited and she should be. That is quite an accomplishment. She is the first person to hit 3,000 rides on a Peloton bike. It’s an amazing accomplishment. It started when she hit her 2,900th ride. When she hit that ride, about five minutes after I saw that post, I then saw a post from another person who announced that they had hit their 2800th ride. The remarkable thing about this is that in 2,800 rides, I’ve never seen this person’s name. There’s not been one post. He hasn’t posted anything. Everybody was taken aback like, “What’s been going on?” It began a discussion about a lot of things. Some people did some investigation and as it turns out, this guy has been doing this for a year. I want to say that riding 2,800 rides regardless of the lengths of the ride is amazing.

I don’t feel like this is a guy who isn’t truly utilizing his bike and that he’s gaming the system or anything like that, but it sounds like there are a lot of shorter rides mixed in.

I was not the person who looked at the statistics, but from what I understand, about 50% of his rides are around 5 or 10 minutes.

Do we know proportionally how many of Laura Pugerude’s are in that?

I don’t have a percentage. I was told, very few, barely any. I know she has like 30-minute rides in there and so does this guy. This guy is Bennett Conn. I didn’t mean to not give him credit by saying Laura’s name.

If he happens to be tuned-in, we’re not bagging on you. We’re having a conversation about, “This guy rides the bike tons.”

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That’s hours and hours at a time. My hats off to you.

That’s a very real thing. This isn’t like the creepy named guy that had a bunch of phantom rides. This is not what we’ve got going on here. It sparked a conversation between you and me about when you’re calculating ride count, the bike tells you if you took a ride or you didn’t. It doesn’t weight them. It doesn’t weight a 60-minute ride as “twice as good” as a 30-minute ride or six times as good as a ten-minute ride. There’s a little bit of an apples-to-oranges thing here. We’re not trying to replicate the ride shaming thing we had going on with somebody on the OPP page a while back. I was caught off guard by the fact that Emma Lovewell sounds like a Bond girl. Bennett Conn, sounds like a Bond villain. I don’t mean he’s a villain. The name has got a ring to it. He is absolutely riding the bike. We’re not trying to take away from that. It’s just when people start keeping score about how many rides they’ve taken, there are some apples-to-oranges going on between somebody that took 30 and 60-minute rides and somebody that has a good chunk of ten-minute rides mixed in.

I also want to mention that Bennett Conn did 2,800 rides since October of 2016 and LauraPug definitely rode more long rides, but she’s also had her bike a lot longer. Both of them have great benefits. They are huge accomplishments, no matter what. We want to make that clear because this conversation is not about that. This conversation is to celebrate LauraPug hit 3,000 rides. That’s first and foremost. Second of all, it’s interesting that both of these people did this and you also don’t want someone to come out of the blue and unseat this person. She’s been doing this for a long time. She’s been ahead of everybody else by a long shot. At some point, I’m not saying Bennett Conn set out to do that.

I don’t think that he was like, “I’ll show her.” The other thing to keep in mind too is that ten-minute rides for some people work for them. Ultimately, you should use the bike the way that it works for you. There’s nothing wrong with that or with how he’s using the bike.

I almost wonder if perhaps they need a new metric. I know this isn’t a leaderboard thing, but they give you a leaderboard. There is a built-in level of competition for a lot of people. It’s not crazy that people would be like, “I did this,” then somebody else is coming on their heels and they’re saying, “Wait, that’s apples and oranges.” I almost think that maybe they need a new metric. Maybe they should take real-time like the number of hours and minutes ridden times the miles you’ve ridden divided by the number of rides you’ve taken. The other thing too is if somebody takes a 60-minute ride, but they only go a mile and a half and somebody can go five miles in ten minutes, that’s a huge difference. The raw number of rides at the end of the day isn’t really all that good of a metric.

No, it’s not. That’s something to throw out there for Peloton to consider. I’m sure there will be some other people talking about the leaderboard. Congrats again to Laura. That was a huge accomplishment and congrats to Peloton. We don’t usually give call outs for milestones. I think 3,000 is a little bit of a difference. The reason I wasn’t saying congrats to him is because he had 2,942. My thinking is before the next episode, he will have hit 3,000 rides. That’s safe to say and I was planning to give him congrats then.

Here’s the thing, if he does read, I don’t want him to feel like we were playing favorites or if we give him the congratulations the next time, that it was some mea culpa that we were like, “Congratulations to him.”

I don’t want that either. That’s something to consider.

No matter what, it’s still 3,000 more rides than I’ve taken of any length whatsoever. They could be 3,000 one-minute rides.

Maybe you could make it a goal, 3,000 five-minute rides. Maybe you could do that. Next up is I’m going to talk about the Puerto Rico ride. The Peloton had a benefit ride for the first hurricane. I don’t even know their names anymore. Hurricane Harvey and then Hurricane Irma. I remembered Irma, but not Harvey. Peloton was nice enough to do one mile per ride ridden in a given ride. Peloton has not offered to do a ride for Puerto Rico, which I get. They are not a donation center. They cannot just sit there and dole out the cash any other time.

That takes a hit to the budget and when you get three back to back to back, that hurts.

Michael Kline came up with an idea. He was like, “Instead of keeping going to Peloton with our hands out, how about we organize our own ride,” which I thought was a great idea. We did our first Peloton-based ride where we took $1 per mile that we ride and we go to this GoFundMe page, which will be posted at

You could do more than $1 if you want.

You can donate as much as you want. You can donate and not ride. We’re not picky but we are asking that you ride and put your own money in because not everybody has more than $1 to ride. Please give what you can.

You probably gave it to others, but whatever you can do. This is a great name by the way, whoever came up with it.

The PR for PR? That was Michael Kline.

That’s a great name. I’m a marketing guy. I know a great name. I came up with The Clip Out.

Here’s the thing. When Peloton did the ride, we could only do whoever rode live. For this ride, it doesn’t matter if you’re live or on-demand, you can still donate. Whatever time works for you. If you can ride live, please do. That would be amazing. Change your location to PR for PR, then go to the GoFundMe page and please make a donation.

We will post the GoFundMe page on our Facebook page, so you don’t have to find it.

You can find the link on our Facebook page.

There’s a new group that you’re digging on.

There is and I have a lot of love for this group. People could probably not have missed the horrible tragedy that occurred in Las Vegas. It was absolutely terrible as many of these senseless shootings are. Every one of them is terrible. There was a person on and her name is Gina Mitchell. She was feeling bad, depressed and not wanting to do anything. She decided, “Instead of feeling like crap and sitting here feeling sorry for myself, I’d like to do something nice for others.” That inspired her to start the Peloton Random Acts of Kindness group. It’s very simple. You do something nice for somebody or anybody, then post about it on the page. That’s it. She has posted ideas to get you started. There was somebody I saw, sent a gift card through Facebook. You can send money through Messenger. She sent $15 to a person who was having a bad day just because somebody, it might have been Gina, paid for somebody’s Starbucks order behind them.

People have been doing nice things like that. I thought, especially when I see such horrible crappy things written on the OPP, which used to be a place that I always found humor and joy and now has turned into a quagmire of bitchiness quite honestly. It’s so nice to see this wonderful group pop up. I encourage everyone to join this group and pay it forward. Do something nice for somebody unexpectedly. Thank you for starting it, Gina. I wanted to mention that the leaderboard logic is still not fixed. It’s still in progress. I’ve been mentioning the 4:15 Tribe, so I wanted to give a little shout-out to the 4:35 Tribe, the Mothercluckers. They ride too and it’s affecting them too. I have not been purposely ignoring them and I feel bad for them. I’m just mentioning, keep hanging in there and if you see that it gets fixed, please let us know. There’s a new feature. I am so excited about this new feature. It just dropped in. We’ll be hearing about it.

It’s the long-awaited sex and people filter.

No, it’s not that one. There’s no filter. It is so cool. You can view the class playlist now. You can see exactly what songs are in every ride.

Is it before they happen so you know what’s coming up? Does that ruin it for you?

It says, “This feature will display on all rides beginning September 25th.” It says the playlist will not show for live DJ rides. I think it’s before.

Does that ruin the magic for you if you like the suspense?

I can’t verify that it is before, number one and number two, even if it was, I probably wouldn’t look at it. It’s not that big of a deal to me. I like to go in and be surprised. If I hear a song that I like, that’s a great feature to go back and look. It is not something that I have to know what the songs are. I know some people who are not sure that they want to take this kind of ride or this kind of music, so it will be helpful for them.

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Think about that. It’s almost like a cussing filter in a way too where if you don’t have the filter on because you’re not that worked up, but you’re like, “How crazy is this ride going to be?”

Do you know how some people dig on Dave Matthews Band? I hate Dave Matthews Band. If I saw that playing, I would be like, “Next ride.” I’d probably still listen if it was an instructor I was in the mood to be around that day. That could be the only artist that I can think of that I would be like, “I don’t know what that is.” I’m very excited about this and supposedly it’s already out there, so enjoy.

I thought they were going to have a Snapchat filter where you can make yourself look like a bunny while you rode the bike.

That would be so cute, but you don’t see yourself while you’re riding the bike. I’m done with the news.

We have a big interview. With us is the latest instructor extraordinaire for Peloton, Emma Lovewell. Welcome, Emma.

Thanks for that nice introduction.

We are so excited to have you on the show.

I have to ask you, when my wife told me the name of the new instructor, I’m curious if you get this joke a lot. I was like, “She sounds like a bond girl.”

Yes, some people are like, “Is this your stage name? Did you make it up?” I was like, “I wish I could have thought of that, but no. I was born with this name.”

It’s a whole family of Lovewells.

It’s true. There’s not that many of us either.

I don’t know if I’ve ever heard the name before.

I haven’t either but it sounds great.

It goes back to my family lineage somewhere. Somebody changed it to Lovewell. I think it used to be like Louvelle or something. There were too many Louvelles, so they decided to make it Lovewell. That’s what I’ve been told.

If I might be so bold, what is that lineage?

It’s English. I’m a daughter of the revolution. My ancestors came over on the Mayflower on my dad’s side and then my mom is from Taiwan. Both sides of the family have a very interesting history and they’re both pretty good about tracking it, so it’s interesting.

As a parent, when you said the origin of both lineages, my first thought was your college scholarship choices must have been ridiculously good.

I don’t know if I looked at it that way. I should have done more research, I guess.

I don’t know many college-aged people that think about it like that.

I’m like, “You’re checking boxes left and right.”

That’s true. For a while, I remember being a kid and it was like, “Pick which race you are,” and they only allowed you to pick one. I used to have this existential crisis. I don’t know what to do. Now you can pick multiple boxes, which is nice.

That’s a good change. The government figured out a good change.

Before Peloton, if you can go all the way back or whatever, what did you do leading up to Peloton?

I was a professional dancer. I’ll start there. I graduated from college. I went to UMass Amherst. I studied Chinese and dance and communications. I moved to New York to pursue dance and did TV and film. I was a backup dancer for different artists and performers. Cody and I used to back up dance together years ago. We met because we’re both dancers in the industry.

Did you dance for anyone that we would know? Can you name drop for us?

My biggest accomplishment is I performed with The Rolling Stones. That was pretty epic. There were 20,000 or so people in the audience. It was at the Prudential in New Jersey. It was their 50th-anniversary show. We did the opening number. There were twenty dancers. We all had masks and we had drum sticks. We were all drumming and came out through the audience. We met them up on stage and we did this whole opening number. It’s seeing those guys and then we got to watch the rest of the show from right in the pit. It was phenomenal. You can imagine the energy. It was huge.

What song did you come out to? What song did you dance to?

I can’t even tell you because it was some musical instrumental big thing that I don’t even think is one of their songs.

It was an intro number, not them performing a song.

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When Tom and I talked about you joining the Peloton team, I took your intro class because I was excited for the new instructor. I was telling him how you blew me away because you didn’t act like you were nervous at all. You had this confidence. You were like, “I do this. I’m on the Peloton bike while you people are staring at me.” That made me wonder because when we were talking about The Rolling Stones, were you nervous then or was it like, you were up on stage and you were part of it, but they were the focus, so it wasn’t as nerve-wracking? Was it terrifying?

My best answer is I knew I should be a dancer when I was a kid, my dad is a musician. I grew up playing the piano. I studied piano for nine years. I sang and did all the performing arts. Anytime I’d go and have a piano recital, I was so nervous. I would shake and my hands would be shaking. I didn’t want to do it. Anytime I had to sing on stage, I hated it. I couldn’t get the nerves out, but anytime I had to dance on stage, it was a different feeling. I was nervous but it was such a way more confident feeling I had than any other type of performance. I was like, “This feels right. This feels good. I don’t want to play the piano and sing anymore. I need to do dancing.” It’s like you have these nerves, but it’s excitement and it’s different. I don’t know. It’s like good nerves.

When you talk about you were shaking, it sounds like if you have a nervous energy that requires movement, you can funnel it into dancing. It’s hard to shake and play the piano.

That’s why I think indoor cycling resonated with me because my body is moving to the music and that feels very natural to me. I love music and performing. It’s all of that in one. That’s why I took to it.

How did you make that leap from being a dancer to being a spin instructor? Where did that transition?

I taught dance. I was instructing dance and I started getting more into fitness. I had friends that were teaching indoor cycling. They would invite me to their classes and I fell in love with it. I was like, “Maybe I want to do this.” I worked at SoulCycle for a few years and that’s how I got into that. I was teaching Pilates as well, which went well with dance and knowing anatomy and fitness overall. I did my personal training certification. From there, I got involved in all things fitness and there’s no turning back.

How aware were you of Peloton before you joined?

In 2012, even before I worked at SoulCycle, I got hired by Peloton to model for them. You can probably find the commercial somewhere. It was their very first ever commercial and I get on set. John Foley and Jill were there chatting with me. They were so friendly and it was such a fun day. I play a rider in the commercial where I’m at home and it’s raining. I want to take a spin class, but I don’t want to go outside, and then Jill is my girlfriend. We decided to take a class together. That’s how I first heard about Peloton and I was like, “This is cool.” I kept following them and their progress throughout. Since then, John, Jill and I all became friends on Facebook. I would see any new articles that came out about them or updates. I knew about them since 2012. It’s full-circle.

You never know when those connections or things that you do are going to come back around in life.

We’ll have to see if we can find this commercial on YouTube or something.

It’s definitely on there somewhere.

The way you were describing it, I was expecting a Peloton bike to come bursting through the wall like Kool-Aid man, “I fix your spin problems.” When they were looking for new instructors, did they post a help wanted ad on Craigslist? Do they reach out to people? How did that work? Is there a secret spin instructor board that they post on? Do they already know you? They were like, “We’re thinking about this. You should come in and talk to us.”

For everybody, it’s a different situation. There are different scenarios. For me, I had left SoulCycle and moved to California. I wanted a change of scenery. I was working as a personal trainer at Facebook headquarters in Palo Alto and my brother lives out there. I’m loving California and then I reached out to John and Peloton to see what the options were. I came in to audition, had a few meetings and that was that. It’s different for every person. I don’t know the standard of how it normally goes. I don’t think there’s anything normal about Peloton.

I think that’s a fair statement.

Everything is so up and coming. It goes with the flow of whatever works for that situation. That makes sense.

How long did the process take you from beginning to end, from the first conversation or submitted a resume or whatever you need to do to you’re on a bike talking to people?

I don’t remember exactly but I was traveling a lot at the time too. My family is in Massachusetts, so I was at home for a while. I think it took a few months.

Are you excited to be back in New York?

I am excited. Part of me always wanted to try living out on the West Coast. There was this part of me that I have to do it at some point in my life. I did and it is beautiful. I have a lot of families out there that I love, but also my friends and my whole network is here on the East Coast. There is this part of me that I’m starting over again and I missed the network and friends that I had here. It feels good to be back and it’s like I never left. I say that I like summer or I wintered in California.

That’s a good way to do it.

Without revealing anything proprietary, we’re not trying to get you in trouble, was there a special process or training that they had you do before you started officially teaching classes? Were they like, “You’ve been doing it. You’ve got a thing and we liked the thing, just go, do your thing?”

Even though all the instructors are very different, we all want to follow similar guidelines so that as a rider, you can take anybody’s class. You’re going to get the same kind of workout. It’s going to be a good workout. You’re going to hit these cadences and these resistances. You want to make sure that we’re all speaking the same language and we’re on the same page. There was definitely a process, which was awesome. I worked closely with Robin, Christine and the whole team to hone in my skills and get me ready to be out on that bike.

What’s it like being a new instructor at Peloton?

It’s cool and exciting to work alongside all of these talented instructors and people throughout the company. No matter what department, I feel everyone’s smart and motivated. It’s exciting to be working alongside these people and seeing where this company is going and the amount of energy that goes into all of it in every class every day.

As a home rider, I feel like we can feel that energy. That’s part of what makes Peloton special. You can feel that everybody’s excited. The riders are excited, the instructors are excited. Everybody’s excited.

There’s an intangible quality to it that you can’t nail down. When you said energy, I was sitting here in my head saying, “As someone who doesn’t even ride the bike, there’s an energy coming out of that thing.” I used to work on radio and I worked for a classic rock station, which was an upstart classic rock station going up against the Heritage station. At some point, that thing took off like a rocket. There was an energy in the building where you were like, “This staff can do no wrong.” We were in the zone. That’s for real. Watching Peloton reminds me of my time at that radio station when we were taken down by big dogs left and right, and nobody thought we could do it. They were like, “Where did this come from?” No one had ever thought it could be done. That’s what it reminds me of.

Were you on air on the radio station?

Yeah, I did mid-days and I was the promotions director.

I was going to say you have a very good radio voice.

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New Peloton Instructor: You can resonate with indoor cycling because your body can move to the music and can feel very natural to you.


He does, doesn’t he?

Yeah, it makes so much sense now.

This is my attempt to still be on the radio without being on the radio because what I do now pays better. I came up with exciting promotions for my radio station like, “Firehouse at your house. That’s right. If you win the grand prize, Firehouse will come to your home and perform acoustic.” That is a real honest to God’s promotion I came up with. You’re a new instructor. Was there hazing? I heard Jenn Sherman tried to sell you an elevator pass. True or false?

There’s no hazing. Everyone has been supportive and helpful and the instructors are lovely. Everyone is busy and has a million things going on and they’re all killing it. It’s inspiring to be around them and have them cheer me on. We try to show up for each other as much as possible whether that’s taking each other’s classes or if we need subclasses or help each other out. It definitely feels like a team, which is nice.

That’s awesome. I was going to be like, “This is the hazing. There’s no Peloton podcast, come on. It’s a very elaborate plan.”

What do you think of the community so far?

It’s awesome. There are many people, which is overwhelming at times but lately, I’ve started to notice some repeat leaderboard names when I teach, which is comforting. I smile when I’m like, “I’ve seen that name before.” That makes me happy that I recognized somebody. Even if it’s just a name on the leaderboard, but feeling it’s that community. It’s knowing that your people are showing up for you. That does feel good. I have some riders and friends who are in New York who come to my classes as much as possible. That’s awesome to have them there live. Even on the leaderboard, seeing familiar names is also super good vibes.

It means people are coming back to take your class. You’re developing your own following.

I have only been able to take one of your classes, but I thought you had such great energy and you were encouraging. People are responding to that. You’re doing a great job.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

Do you have a certain training philosophy that you tend to follow? What’s that like?

For me, it’s mixing it up as much as possible. That means either constantly trying something new, whether that’s a new type of class. Maybe it’s a ‘90s class or EDM class or a big and brassy class or it’s going in for a run or do ten-minute abs or whatever. It’s constantly changing it up. For me, that works because I don’t ever want to get bored and I don’t ever want to get comfortable. It’s constantly shocking your body and always being open-minded and willing to try new things. As an athlete, you get to notice how your body can adjust and acclimate to these different conditions that you put it under. It’s cool if I ever had a friend that’s like, “I’m teaching some weird new dance class, come try it out.” I’m like, “Sure, I’ll be there.” I try to constantly mix it up and have fun.

From an instructor standpoint of mixing things up, do you anticipate ever adding any heart rate training into your classes?

Anything is a possibility, honestly. It depends where Peloton goes. They’re innovating constantly and they’re never staying the same, so wherever I’m open to it. I’m not going to say yes or no. I would have to focus on training and that. I think we’re going to keep evolving as a company and personally, I will keep evolving as an instructor as well.

I would assume that’s the same answer that you would probably give Beyond the Ride content or doing the ad videos you instruct or whatever.

I know I will be teaching Beyond the Ride. I can’t tell you exactly which content yet and also coming from a Pilates background, I hope to be able to incorporate that into whatever it is that I end up doing.

I would love that. I used to do Pilates all the time. Now that I have the Peloton, I tend to not go to the gym. That would be so cool to have Pilates as well.

We have some questions from our audience. We’re going to pepper you with some of their questions if that’s okay. Jessica McCurry wants us to ask you about your break dancing background.

I started dancing when I was twelve years old. I’m originally from Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts. It’s a small island and there’s not a lot there. I remember I was twelve and reading the newspaper. A woman was coming to the island to teach a hip-hop dance class. I was the first person to sign up. I’m so there. I was the first person to walk in there and I fell in love with hip hop dance. I dance all through high school. I also played soccer and lacrosse and was very active. When I got to college, I went to UMass Amherst in Western Massachusetts and there was surprisingly no hip hop dance in Western Massachusetts.

I started teaching hip hop dance at a gym and then I found a break dancing crew at my university and they were called The Origins of Funk. I went and met with them and started practicing with them, and I totally fell in love with all things hip hop culture. I remember at the time I was taking this class where I got to pick a history project and I did the history of hip hop. I dove right in and all things. It was so fun. Those guys were so talented and we would practice. We would find these lobbies of different buildings that we would practice in. Sometimes we’d get kicked out and have to go somewhere else. We would compete in battles and stuff too.

Is there a reason you would practice in lobbies?

We needed a big open space that was free.

I was trying to figure out if there was something about like the floors were slicker.

It was cement. The reason why I eventually slowed down from doing it was I was getting hurt too much. I had bruises everywhere. When I was 18 to 21 or however old I was in college, it was a lot easier to fall a bunch of times and get back up. It was fun. We made t-shirts. I remember we went to a battle at NYU. We traveled to New York City for this collegiate battle. We did not do that great but we competed.

It sounds like Pitch Perfect.

It was like that.

I think we invented a spinoff franchise.

I think they do that in Step Up or something.

I was in Step Up 3D movie. I was one of the thousands of backup dancers in the movie. That was my break dancing, and then I moved to New York to pursue a dance career. There were many auditions where people are like, “Do you know how to breakdance?” I’m like, “Yeah, a little bit.” It ended up helping me out a lot in different auditions. I could pull out some weird dance move or handstand or something. It’s cool. It’s a great culture.

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When you get your own clothing line at the boutique, we can expect some parachute pants.

Yeah, like knee pads and elbow pads.

We have another question from Stacy Kaplan. From your perspective, what is the instructor bike like and the studio?

As an instructor, you’re the ultimate multitasker. You have to be many things up there. You’re a DJ, host, fitness expert, performer and athlete. You’re looking at the leaderboard, your playlist and all four different cameras that we have. You’re looking at the people who are in the room. It’s a lot and it requires multitasking. You have to be able to think about eight things all at one time. It’s a unique skillset for sure. It’s very exciting. It’s so much adrenaline up there. You probably notice in my premiere ride, I had so much adrenaline. I was like, “70 resistance call.” I’m going nuts because the adrenaline takes over. I start saying crazy numbers about it.

I did notice that my knees were a little sore the next day. I might have gotten all amped up with you there.

It happens.

Do you feel like all the multitasking has become second nature yet or are you still getting acclimated?

I’m used to having to multitask being a dancer. A lot of the instructors at Peloton are dancers. I think dancers are great people. They are good workers. They have a good work ethic. They take criticism pretty well and are constantly trying to perfect their craft. I’m used to thinking about a hundred things at once. This is an exciting new challenge for me. The teaching with the cameras and with the leaderboard is new to me too. It is a lot of new information, but it’s good and I’m getting used to it.

Joseph Lambert would like to know what your process is in terms of picking out your music. Do you post any of it to Spotify or a streaming source of some sort?

I love looking for music. I get into these rabbit holes of all of a sudden I’ll be like, “Two hours just went by.” I’m deep in some weird playlist on Spotify that I’m like, “I don’t know how I got here,” but I love doing that. I searched for music every day. I like looking for new stuff that comes out and also old stuff that most people have totally forgotten about. I look at stuff on Spotify and different music blogs. I don’t post full playlist, but on my Peloton Facebook page, I’m going to be doing a monthly playlist of some of my favorite tracks from that month. I feel that’s a fun way to pick a handful of songs that I love that can all live together on one playlist.

That’s always good. I know from a rider’s perspective, I’m always excited to see what kind of music the instructor listens to. I appreciated that you put out there that songs that we could expect to see on your Spotify. I know you had that on your Facebook page. I thought that was great because it gives people an expectation of what your music personality is like. It’s a nice way to get to know you a little bit before we ride.

Since music is such a large part of what you do. Have you been approached by any record labels yet or anything trying to get you to play songs the same way they get to radio stations to play songs?

I don’t think so. Not to my knowledge. No one’s approached me. I can’t speak for anyone else, but not that I know of.

We have another question from Megan Yarnall. She wants to know, who or what is your spirit animal?

Denis and I did a little rapid-fire Q&A for Peloton when we first started. That was one of the questions. It was funny because I knew the answer immediately. I was like, “It’s a sea turtle definitely, 100%.” He’s like, “How did you know that?” I’ve been asked that question multiple times, believe it or not. I went scuba diving a few years ago and I saw a sea turtle for the first time. It totally blew my mind and I was swimming alongside this giant sea turtle. We looked at each other in the eyes and I was like, “This is my spirit animal right here.” They’re so chill but strong and they’re awesome. I want to be a sea turtle. I hope that that’s my spirit animal.

All I can think of is the Finding Nemo movie, but I mean that in a good way.

They’re like the coolest dudes.

How could you mean anything from Finding Nemo in a bad way? I have never told you that my spirit animal is Kool-Aid man. It explains a lot about me, doesn’t it? Another one wants to know what got you into motorcycling. Hopefully, you’re into motorcycling.

I am. Growing up, I knew very little about motorcycles. In college, I studied abroad in Beijing and so I lived in Beijing for six months. I had a friend there that owned a motorcycle. My very first time ever riding on the back of a motorcycle was in Beijing. I don’t know if you’ve ever been there, but you’ll know that the traffic there is insane. They don’t believe in driving in lanes. We were in a six-lane highway that turned into a nine-lane highway and it’s terrifying.

Hopefully, they were all going in the same direction.

Yes, at least they are. You don’t use a blinker, you just honk your horn and crank the wheel. It’s mayhem. That was my first introduction, but it was exhilarating and fun. I came back and then I moved to New York. I had a few friends that were into motorcycles and two friends of mine were like, “We’re thinking about going to take this course up in the Bronx to go to a motorcycle driving school. Do you want to come?” I was like, “Sure, why not?” That would be a fun thing to do for the weekend. I don’t know that much about motorcycles. It would be cool to learn how to drive one.

You get there and it’s a three-day driving course. They walk you through everything. They tell you if you’re good at video games then you’ll probably be good at driving a motorcycle. It’s multitasking. It’s being able to look and feel and use both hands simultaneously and your foot at the same time. You do the three-day course and then everyone ended up passing. They handed us our license and they were like, “Here’s your license, but just so you know, you’re all still terrible drivers. The only way to get better is if you keep practicing.”

I’m such a perfectionist. I was like, “How do I get better? I need to get a motorcycle.” The next week, I went on Craigslist and found a little motorcycle. It’s a 200cc Honda Twinstar 1980 motorcycle out in New Jersey. I drove out there with a buddy of mine and picked up this little motorcycle and brought it back to Brooklyn. I was like, “I’m going to get good at this,” and I kept driving. I only had it for six months because it was stolen, which was bittersweet. It was probably better that I didn’t own a motorcycle in New York City.

It sounds dangerous.

My parents were not that excited.

Parents are never excited when you have a motorcycle. There’s a word for a parent who’s excited when their kid gets a motorcycle and that is a bad parent. I crashed a motorcycle once and I was ten. I’ve never told you this story. Everything about this story is probably my origin story about why I am what I am. I was forced to go camping. That’s not my thing. They had a motorcycle there. It was by the river and they were like, “You should ride the motorcycle.” I was riding around as a passenger on the motorcycle because I was ten and that would be appropriate. They were like, “Do you want to try and drive it?” I’m ten and dumb. I was like, “Sure.” It was a 250, so it was a big one for a kid and I’m a Shetland person. I’m not very tall even now. I started driving, I was going right towards a cliff, not off a cliff, but into a wall. There were all these trees that had fallen. I don’t know how to stop it. They didn’t bother to tell me that part. The students start yelling at me and I freak out. When you freak out, you tense up. When you tense up, you go faster. You pull the throttle. “Luckily,” I hit the old tree and completely flipped upside down. The bike landed on top of me but luckily, my leg was there to break the mufflers fall. That is the last time I rode a motorcycle.

There are many things that are explained to me. That’s why you hate camping.

I don’t like to go outdoors. I’m always like, “It’s such a nice day. We should watch television with the windows open.”

That’s Tom’s trauma revealed.

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I would be traumatized too.

You’ll be traumatized just hearing it. You’re like, “Thank God somebody stole my motorcycle.”

It’s a blessing in disguise.

Emma, do you have a leaderboard name? Do you ride outside of teaching the classes?

I don’t log in. I will take classes sometimes but I usually guest it.

What would your leaderboard name be if you had one?

I don’t know. Maybe it would be Sea Turtle Emma or something.

How has the experience been so far? Do you feel you’re connecting with the riders?

It is totally different. Connecting in the studio, there are 50 bikes in the studio and then there are thousands of people taking it live or on-demand. It’s trying to find that balance of how to connect a little bit with everybody. Social media is huge in that. Having Facebook and Instagram has allowed me to chat with different riders and get feedback from people. Without that, I don’t know how I would know and how I would talk to anyone.

Have your social media numbers shot up?


That’s a good sign.

It’s amazing how quickly that can happen too.

The best thing about that too is they can’t take that from you. In this world, that’s got real value. That will go with you whatever the future holds.

All the new Peloton followers that I’ve gotten are not quiet either. They definitely participate on social media. They like and comment.

I heard about two of these Peloton riders. They’re nut jobs. They started a podcast. All they do is talk about the bike.

I don’t know that we can say that you’re a rider.

That’s true. I’m a rider supporter. If you can’t be an athlete, be an athletic supporter. That’s what they say. What do you think makes a good spin instructor?

The playlist is huge for me. If I’ll take a class, I’d like to know the instructor’s taste of music. I try to do a good job at matching music that matches the intensity of what I am asking you to do. I understand that to ask you to do some crazy 70 resistance and pushing your cadence, you have to be inspired to do that with more than just maybe me telling you to do that. Maybe it’s the music or the leading up to it or the lighting. Whatever you can use to help somebody push themselves to be the best that they can be, use it. Music is a great tool that we have. Speaking from personal experience, it’s obvious to notice when somebody’s being authentic up there. People love authenticity. When I know this is uncomfortable or this is hard, I will say that because I’m doing it too. I know that it’s not easy. I’m not going to pretend that this is a breeze and this should be so easy for you.

I’m glad you don’t do that.

Being able to put yourself in the rider’s shoes is important to be a good instructor of anything.

What do you think makes you unique as a spin instructor?

The approach in itself of when I tell you something motivating, it’s because I need to hear it. I am as much motivating myself to push as I am motivating you to push. Being connected to how I’m feeling is important in order to instruct. Being a good leader is paying attention to how I’m doing and how the room and the perceived audience is doing. It’s having that good connection to yourself and then also adding the music element to it. I know that I am driven by music that I try to capture that and use it as much as I can to help inspire other people

It is important. You’re absolutely right.

Tell people where they can find you in the myriad of social media channels that are out there. Rattle off some of yours.

I am on Twitter and Instagram @EmmaLovewell. I often use #LiveLearnLovewell. I have a blog that’s I put recipes on there, stretches and different workouts. Sometimes I’ll post some music and things, so you can check out that blog as well. I’m on Spotify. ELovewell is my Spotify. You can find some playlists that I have on there. On Facebook, it’s Emma Lovewell – Peloton. That’s me.

Everyone’s going to be excited. As soon as they announced that you were going to be one of our new instructors, people started like, “You’ve got to interview the new instructors. You’ve got to interview them.” People were very excited that you took the time to do this. Thank you so much for taking the time.

It was my pleasure and it’s lovely getting to meet and talk with you two.

If you ever see me on the bike, I’m @ClipOutCrystal. That’s me.

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A big famous Peloton instructor Emma Lovewell doesn’t have time for a recipe. What did you put together for us on your own?

She gave us a recipe. I couldn’t come up with this if I tried.

I’m wondering what’s in it.

I’m not sure I’m okay with trying this one. It’s kombucha. It’s a living organism. It’s a strain of bacteria and yeast that you lovingly grow on your counter and tea until you decide to drink it. It ferments and you do that on purpose, which when it applies to beer, I’m down with. I saw pictures of this thing. I’m not sure I could stomach it. It reminded me way too much of my daughter’s vomit. I’m not sure I could be putting that thing down in my stomach. This came from her blog. I was sent the link from her blog because she posts a lot of her own recipes on her blog. Her blog is called Live Learn Lovewell. This recipe and the link to her blog will be on the Facebook page, I’m not going to try to explain this whole process other than you need a glass jar, a t-shirt, a rubber band and 60 bags. You can use black or green oolong. You get your tea bags and you get a cup of white sugar and then after that, you get a SCOBY.

A little penicillin will clear that up, right?

Ironically, you’re making the penicillin.

I don’t think I can eat this. I’m allergic to penicillin.

It’s a fermented tea drink. I’m going to read to you what a SCOBY is. I kept my notes because I had a feeling this was going to turn into a discussion. SCOBY is a Symbiotic Culture of Bacteria and Yeast. That’s what it stands for. She wanted to bring us something unique. Apparently, this is trending right now. It hasn’t made it to the Midwest. You’ve got to remember, she’s on the coast. She’s on the cutting edge. We’re in the middle.

We should start this now. In that way in two years, we can be like, “That stuff has been making us gag for years.”

I don’t think I can do it. It says that after you put this thing in, the SCOBY sinks to the bottom and then in a few days, it floats to the top. It’s this white gelatinous thing.

No wonder she’s thin, the stuff she eats takes five days to make. She’s eating once every five days.

I’m going to post all this. If anybody is brave enough to make it and drink it, please reach out to me. We should have you on the show to talk about that. Send a video of how you made it. I don’t know. I’m curious.

Send a video if you can choke it down because it sounds gross. We got to love her for sending us the recipe, but this sounds awful.

She loves it. She flavors it with different things and she enjoys it. I am not trying to bag on her. This is outside of my comfort level of consumption.

What did she flavor it with?

It’s a beet and ginger, strawberry and ginger, pineapple and ginger. She said, “Can you tell I like ginger?” She said any fruit juice is good because the kombucha will continue to eat off the sugar from the fruit juice and create carbonation. It also makes it carbonated.

It eats sugar. It’s the only good thing in the whole dish is eating it.

I’ll be honest, this is the first recipe we’ve got that I’m not sure I could try. I’m not down with this.

I’m already the least culinary adventurous person you will find, but thank you very much.

It was so nice of her to take the time to interview with us and take the time to send in a wonderful recipe, which I’m sure a lot of people enjoy. I looked it up. This stuff is sold commercially and on purpose. It’s growing 30% a year.

Yeah, because it sits on the shelf and it grows.

It also got taken off the shelves because they found that it had elevated alcohol volumes in it. They had to redo the recipe so it didn’t have as high of an alcohol level. I was ready for all your questions. Anything else about kombucha?

I think I’m good. That’s everything. That’s it for this episode. Who will be joining us in the next episode?

It’s Yanina Livingston, Yaya. She’s so fun. All of our guests are fun. We’ve had many wonderful people in the show.

What is her claim to fame?

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She’s Yaya. She is also an admin on the JSS Tribe. She has a Starbucks cups that she would write everybody’s milestones on. She has a lot of claims to fame. She’s amazing. She is behind a lot of shenanigans that go on at the studio and elsewhere from what I understand.

We have that to look forward to. I don’t normally plug Reel Spoilers on here, my movie-based podcast, but we have an episode about a movie called Battle of the Sexes, which is about Billie Jean King and her battle against Bobby Riggs at the height of the Women’s Liberation Movement.

Not only is that fascinating to Peloton people because they are very athletic, but you should tell them who you had on the show.

I had two female tennis pros. Both have met, worked with and were business partners with Billie Jean King at a tennis league that they own a team in. It’s not for dudes sitting around talking about women’s tennis. We brought in some women tennis players and female team owners that are very familiar with not only the story that this movie tells, but with Billy Jean King herself and tennis. I thought that there might be some crossover there.

I’m glad that you brought it up. It was cool because they weren’t on Skype on the phone, they were also in our home.

We found local people. They came and sat down in our studio. They were very nice. There’s the shameless plug for my other podcast. I appreciate you sitting through that. Coming up next episode, the sisterhood of the traveling Yaya pants. That’s it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in. Until next time.

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About Emma Lovewell

TCO 24 | New Peloton InstructorEmma Lovewell is a Martha’s Vineyard native and a woman of all trades. She’s spent much of her career in fitness and wellness as a professional dancer, dance coach, fitness model, personal trainer and pilates instructor. Emma was also a DJ, and brings this love of music to her teaching style at Peloton.

She’s passionate about movement and connecting the heavy beats of her playlists to each ride she teaches. After class, expect to feel like you just stepped off the dance floor.

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